Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Pepsi_Plunge]

DRG in Shisui; Just had this stunner (HP totals in the middle).

Yes that's the level 60 ilvl 200 gear.



Healer managed to keep them alive for most of the run; never commed someone quicker.

I don't really see the problem. While there are of course better options, it's still level 60 gear in a level 63 dungeon. If they know how to play the class reasonably, they actually should be okay.

Not really a story but something that I personally find..... weird

In all of my dps runs it seems for some reason I get the most comms as a samurai....not as an RDM or SMN when I res people or other DPS with party utilities.......just for the samurai.

Like today for example I get 4 comms on syrcus tower for.....some reason.I didn't do something special beside dpsing like usual and having some fun in alliance chat

Maybe it's a coincidence and I found people nice enough to give comms but it's weird to have this shower of praise when Im playing as the selfish DPS rather than the utilitarian ones.

Is it the amount of damage I'm doing?

I don't think people usually really care or think too hard about giving a comm. Especially in alliance raids where everything's messy. I usually don't even notice what others are doing, because I'm too busy with my own role and mechanics. Even if I died and got a raise I usually don't remember who's the one who resurrected me at the end. If nobody exceptionally stood out with a special feat, like a sole surviver saving us from a wipe, I either give my comm to someone who wrote something in chat or because I liked the name or the outfit or whatever.

[ArianeEwah]

I don't really see the problem. While there are of course better options, it's still level 60 gear in a level 63 dungeon. If they know how to play the class reasonably, they actually should be okay.

You forgot "/sarcasm" at the end of your comment!

btw that seems to be an ironworks bracelet...

[Cincierta]

DRG in Shisui; Just had this stunner (HP totals in the middle).

Yes that's the level 60 ilvl 200 gear.



Healer managed to keep them alive for most of the run; never commed someone quicker.

We're sorry, but mybrain.exe has stopped working. Would you like to send in an error report?

[Pepsi_Plunge]

You forgot "/sarcasm" at the end of your comment!

No, seriously. An iLevel 200 chest-piece has a defense of 424, while the actual level 63 piece dropping in this dungeon has 480. As a healer I have put up with a lot worse than that. As long as they know how to pull and play their class, I won't break a sweat.

[HyoMinPark]

No, seriously. An iLevel 200 chest-piece has a defense of 424, while the actual level 63 piece dropping in this dungeon has 480. As a healer I have put up with a lot worse than that. As long as they know how to pull and play their class, I won't break a sweat.

Because these dungeons hit much harder than dungeons that were at the beginning of post-HW content. i200 gear is your AF gear from 4 years ago — it was actually the first end-game Tomestone gear you could purchase for HW (with Allagan Tomestones of Esoterics). You have a DEF difference of 56 DEF with the body piece alone, as you have already pointed out... Now add up the differences between all the other pieces, alongside the differences in VIT (which affects their Max HP, btw—so think of that in terms of auto-attacks and survivability) and main stat (which affect damage, and the ability for the tank to sufficiently hold aggro against DPS that have better gear than them). Then come back to me about how it’s not a big deal.

[Pepsi_Plunge]

You have a DEF difference of 56 DEF with the body piece alone, as you have already pointed out...

No, that's the difference to the level 63 piece that drops there, which you can't get before you actually cleared it. So I guess the gear you are ment to enter with is the level 61 gear from "The Sirensong Sea". But anyway, don't get me wrong: I know and I said that there is way better equipment availible at this level. But as I also know from experience, it's still very doable to keep them alive as long as they pull reasonable and don't screw up too many things.

Of course, if the whole party is underequiped.. well, that's another problem.

[BlastHardcheese]

If it helps; he folded like wet paper with every attack and my diversion was on cooldown 100% because he wasn't doing enough to hold aggro from a basic rotation. Not sure what RDM has as far as emnity down skills but he was also doing the aggro conga.

Also if you squint into the middle of the pic (sorry my MS Paint-Fu is weak); he has 2k less HP than me. That'd indicate his gears pretty busted since Tank stuff tends to throw VIT at you like it owes you money and you have a particularly big bat.

It's doable, no doubt, we did it. Fact is it's unnecessary with the amount of 260/270 gear you can get for tomestones. Especially as a Tank.

[MariaArvana]

No, that's the difference to the level 63 piece that drops there, which you can't get before you actually cleared it. So I guess the gear you are ment to enter with is the level 61 gear from "The Sirensong Sea". But anyway, don't get me wrong: I know and I said that there is way better equipment availible at this level. But as I also know from experience, it's still very doable as long as you pull reasonable and don't screw up too many things.

270 shire gear has the same defense as Shisui gear, iirc.

The biggest issue with that DRK's gear is the i130 some odd accessories. Considering tanks in full shire are roughly around 30-32k at that point, the DRK is almost 30% more squishier off of HP alone, before even factoring in lost defense. Considering the final boss's 'Foul Nails' can hit for 10-13k depending on variance, that DRK can effectively lose up to 80% of his HP when she uses it + following auto (mercy on the healer if it actually crits), when it would barely do 20-30% of a properly geared tank's health pool.

It's doable, sure. But outside of spamming nothing but aggro combos they'll be losing aggro against any dps who's even remotely competent and they're an active hindrance to the whole party's dps than if they were properly geared. It's why so many people advocate for ilvl checks - with how many tomestones the game vomits at you through roulettes, having that level of gear is inexcusable.

[HyoMinPark]

No, that's the difference to the level 63 piece that drops there, which you can't get before you actually cleared it. So I guess the gear you are ment to enter with is the level 61 gear from "The Sirensong Sea". But anyway, don't get me wrong: I know and I said that there is way better equipment availible at this level. But as I also know from experience, it's still very doable to keep them alive as long as they pull reasonable and don't screw up too many things.

Of course, if the whole party is underequiped.. well, that's another problem.

You can purchase i260 Shire gear in Idyllshire, and augment it to i270 with Poetics. It has the same DEF/M.DEF/main stat values as the i270 Shisui gear.

If this person was a new player and this was his first time going through the MSQ, 3.x story gives you i240 gear (which was the old Lore gear from 3.2~3.4). The dungeons you do during 3.x—plus roulettes—give you plenty of Poetics to get, at the very least, i260 gear from Idyllshire.

It also doesn’t matter if it’s “doable” — it makes an easy dungeon a chore for the healer. It also potentially makes it a chore for the DPS that continously rip aggro from the tank... which in turn makes it a bigger chore for the healer, because now they have to babysit the tank AND the DPS.

You shouldn’t be going into SB dungeons with gear from 4 years ago. Not when there are myriads of options for better gear that take next to no effort to get.


EDIT: Here’s some rough napkin math, with some rough research on what he’s wearing—

In terms of DEF/M.DEF values:
i200: 2020
i270: 2332
Difference: 312 DEF/M.DEF between i200 left side and i270 left side.
Keep in mind, you can easily get i270 gear in Idyllshire for the small effort of getting Poetics.

The only upgraded left side piece looks like the i225 pants. I think those come from Sohr Khai.

In terms of VIT:
This is assuming that the tank was using i200 left side with i200 weapon and i200 accessories, and comparing that to i270 left side, weapon, and accessories.
i200: 749 VIT
i270: 1463 VIT

Difference: 714 VIT
1 VIT is roughly ~18 HP, so—
HP lost: roughly 12,852 HP

Now, this tank didn’t have i200 accessories, they actually look like they’re worse—
—His earring looks like the earring from The Aery, which is level 55, ilevel 136
—His necklace looks like the necklace from The Aery, which is level 55, ilevel 136
—His bracelet looks like an Ironworks bracelet, which is level 50, ilevel 120 or 130 if he augmented it
—His first ring looks like a ring from Sohm Al, which is level 53, ilevel 130
—His second ring looks like the Dravanian ring from Antitower/Lost City of Amdapor HM, which is level 60, ilevel 195

His weapon is not as bad as an i200, but it’s not as good as an i270. Weapon heals with damage and aggro, so it’s extremely important for tanks to keep them as up to date as possible.


This isn’t okay. It’s honestly why leveling dungeons need minimum item level requirements added to them. Doable or no, a tank that is geared like this makes the dungeon a chore for everyone involved. And it’s just disrespectful to go in like this. Especially if they aren’t even a new player and know better.

[Ceridwenae]

Yesterday was a bad day, for reasons. I thought a small change might be good, and so instead of playing my main, I swapped to my alt, Mjau Miaow'a, intrepid tankcatboi of eye candy-ness, and decided he should become an arcanist for the evening. Easy, no-fuss, nice low level fun. I also happen to like the arcanist storyline.

Anyhoo, he gets to dungeon time, and I opt for the roulette. There's only two dungeons that can happen, and when it pops it's Sastasha. Mjau has awkward memories of that place, but at least he's not tanking. He can just breeze through, 'buncle on Obey, yada yada.

Everyone says hi. Protect is cast. The sprout tank runs forth, and... straight past the first two bats. The lancer suddenly thinks it's a tank, and proceeds to tank the rest of the way. The actual tank, in the meantime, doesn't actually tank per se, just works as a subpar DPS. The healer rips aggro. The 'buncle rips aggro. Mjau rips aggro. It's a mess. Somehow the poor healer is managing, and Mjau is using Physick on himself and the 'buncle (did get Sustain a few beats further in, although it didn't really help much), so as to give the healer a break. It's lunacy.

It continues like this through the dungeon, but by the first round with the Captain, Mjau's had enough. He's kiting the 'buncle, the 'buncle is kiting the Captain, and the tank is just not picking the Captain back up, and is playing minor fisticuffs with one of the lackeys in the corner (the lancer is tickling the other). I swear the Benny Hill music was playing somewhere.

Honestly, I asked to be kicked. Then I just thought, I don't care. I'm actually going to log out anyway, I can't do this now and I need sleep. I left.

To the healer in that run: I'm sorry I left. You were doing good with the crap you were given. I'm sorry I was just too tired and fed up to even explain to the sprouts how to dungeon. I hope you got through with your sanity intact and the lancer and the tank never darken your door again.