Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Niwashi]

Two years I've played and I've never had a group so bad in IFRIT that the tank needed to help with the single nail......

It's not that unusual if most of the party, or at least the damage dealers, are on-level in basic white gear typical for the level. Like many fights, it only becomes trivially simple when the party is made up mostly of over-leveled over-geared players. It's a serious challenge for newcomers. (Of course, I don't know whether the damage dealers in your run were, in fact, on-level newcomers or over-leveled but just bad. It could have been either.)

[Aoxaviar]

Ok, so while doing my relic (Monk, still not finished) I was DF'd for Sohm Al and got a group (after only 12 mins, huge yeah) and we were doing fine.

We got to the middle boss, and I am not totally sure what all happened, but we got taken out.

We all respawned and while I was running (after shortcut) and someone made the comment "Mage LB the green slime and the boss on this run."

To me that was good advise, and when the big shock when I got up with the group and started to setup for the fight

I GOT VOTE KICKED

After it happened, all I could do was laugh.

So, I went back in to the DF and got another group and we cleared it all on a single run!

[Frederick22]

I was kicked from a duty in fractal Continium because I was doing high damage.

My DRG is ilvl 202. I enter to fractal with a party that had an awfull tank that could barely keep hate, with some ilvl150 and 160 gear pieces and was NOT new.

When we arrived at the first boss, during the fight I stole hate from the boss sereval times. The PLD was loosing the hate and at the end he couldnt recover it it. So I died, and eventually everyone also did.

I asked the PLD why he couldnt keep hate, and he told me to slow down my DPS, worst the orther dps and the healer were defending him! Apperantly they we all on a pre made.

The dps told me it was my fault for dieing beacuse I didnt slower down my damage, I said that of course i wouldnt, a dps should not slow down beacuse of the tank. The dps and the healer told me that was my fault for dieing, not the tank, that or I slow down my dps or I died lol, the dps told me that he didnt die. BEACUSE HE WAS NOT DOING ANY DAMAMGE AT ALL SO THAT THE TANK COULD KEEP HATE.

I repeated taht was not my fault, that is what dps do most of the tipe, and that I was not going to slow down my dps so that the tank dont loose hate on the fights.
The keep saing it was my fault and etc. So I was kicked.

Really guys you think that is right? to be kicked beacuse I refused to slow down my dd ?
If those guys wanna slow down they shouldnt, since they are on a pre made I think that they should teach the tank how to keep hate. Honesltly I dont think much people would like to slow down their dps.

[Dyvid]

I don't even know what that skill does and I have 2 tank mounts, but I do know that the astrologian blue shield is so bright that it hurts my eyes.

It gives anyone in the bubble 10% damage reduction and a 15s regen after the bubble ends.

[Miste]

Really guys you think that is right? to be kicked beacuse I refused to slow down my dd ?
If those guys wanna slow down they shouldnt, since they are on a pre made I think that they should teach the tank how to keep hate. Honesltly I dont think much people would like to slow down their dps.

When you get matched with a very big gap between the tank ilevel and the DPS they are going to lose hate usually. I have been paired with ilevel 170 tanks and I have seen many of them try their best but because I have like 20-30 ilevels on them they can't keep hate off me. 30 ilevels is just too much of a gap

Really the healer could have easily kept you alive on the boss and just healed you and let you tank, which is usually what happens when you get an i170-80 tank with i200+ DPS. It wasn't really your fault but it wasn't really the tanks fault either. I've tanked fractal bosses on BLM because of a low ilevel tank.

It seems to me the healer was just being stubborn cause an i200+ DRG can easily tank any of the bosses in fractal. They might need more attentive healing but it's totally doable. I don't know how you dying would cause the rest of the group to wipe since the tank should have regained hate upon your death. Seems like the healer stopped healing or is just bad. So you're putting the blame in the wrong place imo. You should try going on tank in i170 gear in fractal and keep hate off a player i200+ that knows their job really well...you're gonna have issues.

They shouldn't have kicked you though but if a tank is having trouble because of such a huge ilevel gap and they ask nicely for me to ease up a bit I will to an extent. You could have tried to compromise with them? I guess if they were being jerks right off the bat though then w/e you should be happy to get kicked so you don't have to play with them.

[Fluestergras]

Really guys you think that is right? to be kicked beacuse I refused to slow down my dd ?
If those guys wanna slow down they shouldnt, since they are on a pre made I think that they should teach the tank how to keep hate. Honesltly I dont think much people would like to slow down their dps.

I do slow down my deeps when I see that this undergeared tank is willing to do their job right. If not, well, I'll tank then. And if these three people really would've been a premade, then they've been pretty stupid signing up in DF and dealing with a potentially well-geared DPS who doesn't want to slow down.
But whatever, as much as I can see, you were doing your job, which is to deal as much damage as you can, and that's no reason to get kicked.

[Niwashi]

I stole hate from the boss sereval times. The PLD was loosing the hate and at the end he couldnt recover it it. So I died, and eventually everyone also did.

I asked the PLD why he couldnt keep hate, and he told me to slow down my DPS, worst the orther dps and the healer were defending him!

They were right to defend him. With a big iLevel difference like that, the tank is pretty much always going to lose hate unless you're lowering your own aggro. You could do that with Elusive Jump, by scaling back your damage, or some combination of the two. Otherwise you'll have to take over tanking. You didn't lower your aggro enough to stay within your role and you failed at tanking. (Or perhaps the healer failed you while you were tanking. It's impossible to tell from your description of the fight.) Were you using all your defensive and recuperative skills? It's a lot harder to tank on a DPS job than it is on a job designed to be a tank, but it should be possible if you do it well.

[ardrej]

My DRG is ilvl 202. I enter to fractal with a party that had an awfull tank that could barely keep hate, with some ilvl150 and 160 gear pieces and was NOT new.

When we arrived at the first boss, during the fight I stole hate from the boss sereval times. The PLD was loosing the hate and at the end he couldnt recover it it. So I died, and eventually everyone also did.

I asked the PLD why he couldnt keep hate, and he told me to slow down my DPS, worst the orther dps and the healer were defending him!

A minimun ilvl tank vs a 200+ dps would lost hate, it happened to me a lot on the first few runs also did you used elusive jump at any point during the fight?

[alimdia]

should try going on tank in i170 gear in fractal and keep hate off a player i200+ that knows their job really well...you're gonna have issues.

I tanked on my alt pld when i first got there i170(and i170 weap) with my crazy dps Ann and blm friend and I held aggro just fine though they were at 90% aggro.

Did said drg elusive jump?

[Frederick22]

A minimun ilvl tank vs a 200+ dps would lost hate, it happened to me a lot on the first few runs also did you used elusive jump at any point during the fight?

They were right to defend him. With a big iLevel difference like that, the tank is pretty much always going to lose hate unless you're lowering your own aggro. You could do that with Elusive Jump, by scaling back your damage, or some combination of the two. Otherwise you'll have to take over tanking. You didn't lower your aggro enough to stay within your role and you failed at tanking. (Or perhaps the healer failed you while you were tanking. It's impossible to tell from your description of the fight.) Were you using all your defensive and recuperative skills? It's a lot harder to tank on a DPS job than it is on a job designed to be a tank, but it should be possible if you do it well.

Sorry but if that PLD had a ilvl180 weapon, using just Halone combo only, can make you keep hate.
Yes I forgot to say he had an 180 weapon, was the highest thing he had.

Also the reason why I died was beacuse the healer couldnt keep me up when the first boss ( Phamton Ray ) used his small tank buster atack.