Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[OurMom]

Snip

I didn't intend for the "give good advice" part to come off like that it's just I had to shorten it and I was doing something else so I made it something I could remember. Sorry about that.

I do practice on dummies. potd seems dead atm with slightly long ques times and everyone is speedrunning through them. It hard to get any better in there atm it seems to me. So the only place I feel I can truly see what works and doesn't is by doing dungeon runs. I honestly believed that using spread shot would not yield better results on 3 targets or less than single target focusing.

I've been spamming potd non stop with short ques, are you on the aether datacenter?

Do you parse?

[Iscah]

Generally speaking, a blunt “use X” message mid-combat isn’t necessarily the other person being rude, just trying to get their message typed out in as few keystrokes as possible during the brief space between attacks. Especially for PS4 players who either have to use the onscreen keyboard or put down the controller to type.

[Lunaxia]

Me: So I guess no heals for me then
Healer: I don't reward bad behaviour

I don't think you reacted well there but I'll never understand this mentality.

"I'm going to punish you for acting in a way I don't like by purposefully letting you wipe, leaving you not having to do anything and making the dungeon longer and more work for everyone else."

What?

[Moonfish]

I don't think you reacted well there but I'll never understand this mentality.

"I'm going to punish you for acting in a way I don't like by purposefully letting you wipe, leaving you not having to do anything and making the dungeon longer and more work for everyone else."

What?

Using single target in a group of 3+ is just garbage, especially at level 62. Levels 30 to 62 should be plenty of time for someone to realize that 100 potency (or whatever) spread over 3 targets is more DPS than 240 potency to one target. Running with people who don’t use their AoE gets old pretty fast - start throwing the F word around and you better believe I’m not healing that person regardless of it increasing the length of the dungeon. Honestly, how fast is it even going when they’re not being efficient anyway? I’ve let people die for less than that.

I’m not saying that healer was right but personally I probably would’ve had the same reaction.

[HyoMinPark]

I'd like to hear what you guys think.

I’ll go through your post and tell you my thoughts on it, since you asked and I just happened to be reading. None of this is meant to sound antagonistic towards you, but it may be a tad blunt because I’m bad at... not being blunt.

I've been playing Machinist for the past week now and I'm currently at level 62. I haven't entirely gotten the mechanics down yet and will probably never be really good at it for say Savage content which I don't do because I know I'm not good enough to do it on any job.

This is fine; when you’re learning, you make mistakes. And contrary to the various hyperbole you may have read/heard, people do not expect Savage-level performance in dungeons, especially leveling dungeons. They do expect you to know some basics though (e.g., using cooldowns as a tank, regens/shields as a healer, and AOEing when appropriate for a DPS).

I main BLM and I like to think I'm pretty good at it. But, I would never tell anyone else how to play BLM cause I know that I wouldn't like it if someone did it to me.

I think it’s crucial to be accepting of advice, especially on a job that you are still learning how to play. If the advice is something that can help you perform better, or help you understand the job a bit better. Keep in mind that some advice may be coming from people who main the job you’re leveling; they will probably have an understanding of it, so it’s always appreciated to be accepting of it and a bit humble.

Healer: Use Spread Shot
Me: its too weak
Healer: your're 50+ and you say that?
Me: yeah, I haven't mastered this job yet
Healer: you know that aoe skills potency is applied by the amounts of targets they hit
Me: I prefer single target and let bishop do the AoE

This advice is okay; there’s nothing inherently “toxic” about it. If the tank was doing standard pulls in Sirensong after the party gets off the ship, that’s enough mobs were AOE is called for.

Spread Shot may seem weak on its own (most AOEs are less potent than your single target abilities), but when you pair them against several mobs, they always win out. If I recall correctly, there’s about 6 or 7 mobs with the two packs before the first boss. Spread Shot’s initial potency is 80, which does seem weak. However, 80*6 is 480 total potency, and 80*7 is 560 potency. This would be on top of your Bishop Turret, which even though it has diminishing potencies for multiple targets, it would still win out over a simple single target on one enemy. That’s just the math behind it.


I have to add in a bit of two gil here, because I think this healer was frustrated by your lack of AOE, and I have to say I certainly sympathize; it is one of my biggest pet peeves to see DPS not AOEing, because then others have to pick up the slack for them. When you get in a party with DPS that refuse to AOE, the tank and healer have to work harder, either with AOE of their own, or the tank has to blow more cooldowns on trash mobs because they aren’t dying fast enough, and then they won’t have any for the next pull. Healers can in up strained for mana from healing once a tank runs out of cooldowns if the pack is still large.

Healer: then you're bad
Me: I'm still learning
Healer: as you're stupid enough to argue with a fact
Me: so f*** you
Healer: go
Healer: you'd love to

This entire part right here was uncalled for, on both your part and the healer’s part (as was the conversation in the first boss). I understand if you were angry, but it’s better to just take the high road instead of devolving, or “stooping down to their level”, if you get what I’m saying. I honestly think the situation could have been avoided if you had simply used your AOE ability when the game was mandating it.

After the way the dungeon devolved, I can’t really blame the party for wanting to kick you. It was crappy of them to do it at the last boss, but the entire thing that prompted the dismissal was ridiculous in and of itself.

It can’t be considered a violation of the Vote Dismiss feature, either. “Differences in playstyle” is a valid reason, and you weren’t contributing to AOE as you should be doing and blatantly refused to when asked. You also refused to follow the party following the mess that was the first boss, and even though I agreed that the healer was in the wrong, you aren’t doing any better acting like that. If the group was that bad, I would have honestly just opted for the 30-minute penalty on top of another queue instead of dragging it out, but that’s just me.

You are a DPS and it is your job to deal damage—that includes AOE damage. This entire situation could have been avoided if you had simply started AOEing.

I'd like address the toxic player mentality out there where people feel the need to tell others how to play the game.

I want to conclude this with that it is equally “toxic” to use the “you don’t pay my sub” argument when someone is giving you advice that will help you down the line (because that healer will not be the first and last player you meet that get frustrated with DPS that do not AOE). There is something to be said for the mentality of “I will play how I want to play”, and it’s not a good something. You are playing this game with other people, and using up other people’s time. Things die faster when you AOE; you waste less time and you waste less resources. I can’t speak for the healer specifically, but there are a lot of players that do not like having their time wasted.

I hope you consider all of these things for future dungeon runs.

[Lunaxia]

snip.

Admittedly DPS not touching AOE is one of my pet peeves, and I understand the frustration behind it. But there's nothing to be gained from letting a DPS wipe, it's a detriment to everyone for the sake of an ego trip. It might not be optimal damage but one DPS not executing their AOE right is (usually) still a fair amount of damage more than just the one DPS. Besides that, you're giving them a free pass to lie there and do nothing out of spite in the name of "punishment." It's just counter intuitive to me.

[Rymm]

-snip-

Since you asked what we think...

There was nothing wrong with what the healer did at first. You honestly shouldn't have argued but your initial responses weren't really that bad. Healer got rude, likely out of frustration. You got toxic first. Healer got toxic in response (something he actually made abundantly clear.) I personally would have kicked you either right away or resigned myself to your sub-par dps and bad attitude, but I at least understand why they reacted the way they did. Your harassment report is a waste of GMs' time and if it results in anyone getting in trouble, it'll be you for swearing at them.

The whole run was a mess and honestly could have been avoided if you didn't have the mindset that strangers giving you advice is inherently bad.

[Alrin]

snip

I urge you to read very carefully what Hyomin wrote. Healer was probably frustrated by your refusal of doing AOE dmg. I know I am since I play healer jobs 90% of time and there are DPS refusing to AOE too often.

If i were with you in that dungeon then i would have vote kicked you after you would say F**** you and i am calm person. Yes healer said that you should AOE a bit bluntly and after you initial refusal he probably lost his nerves but what could be reported is what you wrote.

When somebody is trying to help you to learn your class try to do what he/she advised you and think about it. There is no harm in that.

[TaiyoShikasu]

Leveling roulette: Qarn.
Party: Me as PLD, some WHM, RDM, and DRG. Similar names all from the same server, probably a premade.

Probably against my better judgment, because PLD has like no cooldowns at that level and Shield Oath as well as the healer being good are probably the only thing keeping me alive once Rampart and Anticipation are on cooldown. Like actually good, letting regens do their thing rather than cure spamming like the one I had in Brayflox a few days ago who bottomed out on MP on the last boss as even after a Medica cast they were still throwing cures on me. It was actually pretty annoying, but anyways.

Pull the bats at the start to the first room, RDM casts Scatter all over four times, WHM is throwing Aeros and rocks, I got that sweet Rage of Halone combo and I don't know what the DRG was doing.

Next room take it a bit slow 'cause bees. RDM really wanted the chest from that head thing as they were putting more focus on that then the second bee. Almost ate a Final Sting.

First boss: DRG died and I'm certain they were standing on the glowing square. RDM died to it too. Even before then it was becoming apparent they don't know what they're doing. I assume this as I did not see a Heavy Thrust from the DRG. I didn't see one the entire run. Quite a few casts of Jolt from the RDM.

Next set of mobs, the bees on the staircase. Pretty sure the last one died before Final Sting was done casting, but still hit by it. It hurt. Took a second to wait for a heal before going for the two mantis, RDM starts casting Jolt, so got that heal and grabbed the mobs. Doors open, do the thing with the heads, go into one room, RDM pulls the mobs in the other room to where the rest of us were at, saying in chat they figured it'd be a good idea. It doesn't make a difference, but whatever. At this point, I'm certain those Scatter casts from earlier was the RDM's daily quota. Never saw it again.

Pull some more to the entrance of the boss room, still no Scatter. I am practically in love with this WHM though, for real.

Pull the boss, RDM is spamming Jolt, DRG is standing in one spot, backflipped, used Jump for the first time probably in their entire career as a DRG which wasn't too long, but they have visible Ironwork gear, so it's not like they just got it and then proceeds to stand in one spot some more before finally attacking. No Heavy Thrust just whatever excuse for a combo they have at that point, probably out of sync.

I really like how the second boss in Qarn doesn't follow the enmity table and I really liked how it went ham on the DPS, bashing them in like a bag of carrots. If there is a God, it's an angry golem that hates bad DPS.

Eventually we get the hallway leading to the scales, I pull the mobs in the hallway, probably could've gone further, but not with this Scatterless RDM. Seriously that's like 600+ potency with these pulls and they used it barely at the start. RDM pulls the mobs in the room with the scales. They die hilariously. So did the DRG. Not sure how, probably trampled to death. Couple Flashes to keep them off the WHM who leaves the DPS to rot. I could've given myself to this WHM in the hallway of these ruins atop the corpses of their bad DPS friends.

Last boss: Closest I came to respecting the content was doing the thing with the first blockhead that spawns otherwise I will literally play DDR rather than focus down the other adds. This was the second time I've ever seen anyone do that. Also the first time I seen this RDM cast Verfire and not even on the boss. In short, the WHM and I basically duo'd the last boss.

[TaiyoShikasu]

Admittedly DPS not touching AOE is one of my pet peeves, and I understand the frustration behind it. But there's nothing to be gained from letting a DPS wipe, it's a detriment to everyone for the sake of an ego trip. It might not be optimal damage but one DPS not executing their AOE right is (usually) still a fair amount of damage more than just the one DPS. Besides that, you're giving them a free pass to lie there and do nothing out of spite in the name of "punishment." It's just counter intuitive to me.

If there's one thing I learned leveling DPS jobs and continuing to see there is a real chance there is only one DPS using their AOE abilities. You ever see a SMN whose entire AOE consists of two Ahk Mhorn at best, but in reality probably not even one? Mind boggling.

And if there's one thing I learned while leveling PLD, if I'm bottoming out on TP, it's because I'm the only one AOEing.