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  1. #15541
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    Eh my story is going to sound like a poster who made a topic here. I pretty much need more training. I cleared the train and the paint people sav version last night. My group says 4.6 is ok but it's grey on the FFLOGs. How in the world are people hitting 6k? Like I was on the dummy all day yesterday before raid and using crimson ciders HQ in my fights. I guess I just have to continue to hit the dummy. For context I can clear the dummy fight with 5k so I guess? for extra context I just hit endgames a bit ago and I'm ilvl 354.
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  2. #15542
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    Lilseph's Avatar
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    Shadow Link
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    Mateus
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by ko_ View Post
    Eh my story is going to sound like a poster who made a topic here. I pretty much need more training. I cleared the train and the paint people sav version last night. My group says 4.6 is ok but it's grey on the FFLOGs. How in the world are people hitting 6k? Like I was on the dummy all day yesterday before raid and using crimson ciders HQ in my fights. I guess I just have to continue to hit the dummy. For context I can clear the dummy fight with 5k so I guess? for extra context I just hit endgames a bit ago and I'm ilvl 354.
    Besides your personal numbers in a dummy, people already add a combination of high ilvl and raid buffs to increase their DPS. The party composition matters a lot as well. For instance, I remember doing around 3900 on a dummy as PLD for God Kefka, but in the fight, I did 4500+
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    Last edited by Lilseph; 04-16-2018 at 11:26 PM.

  3. #15543
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    Lunaxia's Avatar
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    Ashe Sinclair
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    Phoenix
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    Thaumaturge Lv 60
    Playing on an alt, I needed Aurum Vale for one of the GC rank upgrades. Not the best dungeon in the world, but usually it doesn't go too badly... usually.

    I go as DPS, tank is a sprout, healer has a large stick wedged somewhere personal. The first room is a bit of a mess, tank inevitably pulls everything but with a wipe or two we get through it. The problem is the first boss. The first time, the tank doesn't grab the fruit, so the healer kindly screams at him to do so. Next time, tank does try to get fruit, but for some god forsaken reason the healer is insistent on taking the melee range fruit so the tank runs over to where we are, bringing a face full of cleave. We wipe a few times. Uppity healer is very attached to his fruit and refuses to change, he ends up leaving. Things improve, but only marginally. Tank is squishy, inconsistent with stacks, losing aggro, we're getting cleaved and the healer isn't much more than a novice. Another wipe; I end up leaving.

    About an hour later later, coming off AFK, I figure I'll try Aurum again. Join in progress, 20 mins to go. I assume it's a slow, messy party stuck towards the end of the dungeon and decide to see if I can help. It's the tank from before! It's the same run from before!

    And he's... still at the first boss.

    He proudly declares "I won't give up, no matter what." The other DPS leaves. I wish him luck before following suit, because no.

    I mean, you have to admire his tenacity, I guess.
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  4. #15544
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    xkazh's Avatar
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    Khaz Corvinus
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    Twintania
    Main Class
    Machinist Lv 100
    Just got out of Expert roulette (fractal hard). it took 15 mins to reach only the 2nd boss bc the DRK tank was single pulling trash packs. the ninja hadn't heard of death blossom apparently and would refuse to aoe anything outside of Doton. i'm here as a bard ffs i can give you tp regen... which would be even more worth it if the tank did some decent pulls. it wasn't like he was undergeared, had plenty of 330-340 gear, and fractal hard wasn't partly difficult even after it released. our healer was in full 350 Anemos gear fully materia'd as was the Ninja, and my Bard is in mostly 360 gear. the tank's health only dropped during 2nd boss bc he kept sitting in the sephy bubbles so i really have no idea what went on.

    DRK also jumped across in the first section after the magitek claw. Pulled the first group, that minotaur but didn't run up to spawn the 2nd minotaur and chimera. he then pauses after the adds die, runs back to the jump pad where you jumped FROM. Sits around for a min whilst we wait. Sch finally asks if we're waiting for someone. DRK: No I already jumped over and you guys didn't follow.

    Idk man, i keep getting 340+ tanks in fractal who think they're going to get shredded like wet paper in fractal, it's bizarre.
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  5. #15545
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    AkashiXI's Avatar
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    Akashi Mousai
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    Adamantoise
    Main Class
    Archer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Lilseph View Post
    Besides your personal numbers in a dummy, people already add a combination of high ilvl and raid buffs to increase their DPS. The party composition matters a lot as well. For instance, I remember doing around 3900 on a dummy as PLD for God Kefka, but in the fight, I did 4500+

    Given that almost all DPS have some sort of raid buff (except BLM and SAM), and two of the three healers can buff the group in a pretty significant way, striking dummies aren’t a great representation of raid DPS these days.
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  6. #15546
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    Lammas's Avatar
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    Combo Lammas
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    Omega
    Main Class
    Fisher Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Lunaxia View Post

    Tank is squishy

    ...

    And he's... still at the first boss.

    He proudly declares "I won't give up, no matter what." The other DPS leaves. I wish him luck before following suit, because no.

    I mean, you have to admire his tenacity, I guess.
    Oh heavens, that's quite something. I could swear a guy with that much trouble either has some of his equipment broken (by that time at least he certainly did) or simply is wearing some stuff way lower than the dungeon level.
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  7. #15547
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    Odd's Avatar
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    Tiri Thon
    World
    Goblin
    Main Class
    Dancer Lv 90
    Had an interesting run of The Aery last week. I was there as NIN for my anima weapon and being a WHM main, I noticed the sound of cure 3, repeatedly coming from the tanks direction. I wish I thought to screenshot the conversation that followed, but it went something like this:

    Me: You shouldn't be using cure 3 when only the tank is taking damage.
    WHM: My mp is fine.
    Me: That may be so, but cure 3 is an aoe heal with a very small radius. Cure 2 is your go-to spell when the tank needs a big heal.
    WHM: But cure 3 comes after 2...
    Me: Yes I know how to count to 3. Read the tool tip. Cure 2 has a higher potency than cure 3.
    WHM: But you said yourself cure 3 is aoe, so take that potency and double it because it's hitting you too. I checked my battle log.
    Me: But I'm not taking any damage, and you're spamming cure 3 on the tank when Cure 1 mixed with cure 2 is way more optimal.
    WHM: No one is dying I don't see the big deal.
    Tank: NIN is right. No more cure 3 plz. Now both of you stfu and lets get on with this.

    I guess the tanks confirmation was enough, as the cure 3 spam stopped after that. Fun times!
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  8. #15548
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    I'm wondering. I started leveling cnj in deep dungeon. I know you can drag skills you don't have on your bar. But that's only the class skills. You can't do that with role actions. I tried to Esuna and protect on my bar but I'm only level 10 and since those are role actions they don't move. I can't click them. Pretty much I could feel this one tanks rage cause they thought you could. If you can then my PS4 is glitching cause I can't put those role actions on my bar yet. I'm guessing you need to be at the level the actions unlock before you can move them on your bar right?

    EDIT!!!! HUGE EDIT!!! I figured out the issue. I'm only level 10 outside and there for the only slot on my role actions that's unlocked is level 8. Protect and esuna are level 16 and 20. And those slots which are leveled locked are still locked since I'm only level 10 outside. I knew I wasn't crazy.
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    Last edited by ko_; 04-17-2018 at 06:31 AM.

  9. #15549
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    Mesarthim's Avatar
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    Rozemyne Shyahoro
    World
    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Odd View Post
    Had an interesting run of The Aery last week. I was there as NIN for my anima weapon and being a WHM main, I noticed the sound of cure 3, repeatedly coming from the tanks direction. I wish I thought to screenshot the conversation that followed, but it went something like this:

    Me: You shouldn't be using cure 3 when only the tank is taking damage.
    WHM: My mp is fine.
    Me: That may be so, but cure 3 is an aoe heal with a very small radius. Cure 2 is your go-to spell when the tank needs a big heal.
    WHM: But cure 3 comes after 2...
    Me: Yes I know how to count to 3. Read the tool tip. Cure 2 has a higher potency than cure 3.
    WHM: But you said yourself cure 3 is aoe, so take that potency and double it because it's hitting you too. I checked my battle log.
    Me: But I'm not taking any damage, and you're spamming cure 3 on the tank when Cure 1 mixed with cure 2 is way more optimal.
    WHM: No one is dying I don't see the big deal.
    Tank: NIN is right. No more cure 3 plz. Now both of you stfu and lets get on with this.

    I guess the tanks confirmation was enough, as the cure 3 spam stopped after that. Fun times!
    Two times this week 50/60 roulette dropped me in Wanderer normal with a WHM for a healer (I was tank). Both times, since they were new new, they spammed cure III in a panic when I was lower on hp. I kept having to mention to them throughout the dungeon to stop using Cure III in single target healing scenarios (i.e. just the tank).

    The healers never responded and I can only hope the message got through after the run ended. There's just an alarming number of people these days (at least in lower dungeons?) that do not read their skills when they unlock them.
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  10. #15550
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odd View Post
    WHM: But cure 3 comes after 2...
    I know this isn't really funny, but I legitimately laughed at this line. Oh, the wonderful things you'll find in the DF haha.
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