Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

**KisaiTenshi** · 03-14-2018 12:40 AM

Originally Posted by Sesera

50-60 is kinda bad for gearing alt and most want to push to 60 asap and buy 260 gear from Idyllshire.

Basically this is what people are doing:
1-49, whatever trash drops you get from solo'ing the 1-49 dungeons on your good job since you can clear these dungeons in 2 minutes or so.
level 50, Ironworks tomes gear that is level 120

POTD doesn't care what gear you enter with, but if you want to be able to put the skills you learn on your bar, you need to go back and learn them.
level 60, Shire tomes gear that is level 260

Nobody is going to upgrade those now, they will just save up for the 330 Creation or 360 Mendacity gear by grinding for those tomes on whatever job they can get them with.

The point is that POTD has basically made it pointless to play any dungeon content until you get that job to level 60, and by then, you haven't actually learned how to do anything with that job, just spam. So you may as well just grind all your combat jobs to level 60 with POTD so you have less junk gear to carry. This is the entire problem in a game where there's clearly a balance problem. If you want to level all your job classes, you need to carry a set of gear appropriate for that level and job, and since none can share primary main hand gear, you typically end up with no less than 15 sets of gear if everything is not at the same level, and if they are at the same level, you can fold these into just 4 sets and 15 weapons.

That's why people tend not to have good gear. POTD means you can skip trying to get any gear until at least 60, and nobody wants to waste their poetics tomes on ironworks gear if they don't have to and can just sit on it until level 60.

**jellopy** · 03-14-2018 01:26 AM

Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan

And how is this different from what has been said?
You really are confusing people.
Its just a bit obvious - if the mana gauge is full you use the right melee spell for the right job.

“Spamming Scatter” does not equal “using Scatter while weaving oGCDs like Flèche, Contre Sixte, etc and releasing the melee aoe”
Even ignoring this AOE conversation, I was pretty sure I was doing more dmg tanking on PLD on bosses than the dps.

Then again, I don’t even main tank or dps. I usually just heal people.
Maybe people are ok with underperforming dps.

I’ll stop arguing and “confusing” you guys.

**MoroMurasaki** · 03-14-2018 01:36 AM

Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan

Actually..she's right... Scatter for mobs.....jolt/impact + spell for single targets. Mix in some the melee ranged spells as well.
Otherwise you run the risk of peeling aggro.
Check your own facts.

This is right in certain situatuons but it certainly isn't anything close to universal.

3 mobs or less you're better off alternating Scatter with an elemental spell to build mana faster.

There is also something to be said for starting a pull with some mana already in your bars. If you're sitting close to 90 at all in a large pull, especially if you could pop Embolden, throwing out the ST spells you need to guarantee 90|90 then getting Embolden out early to buff your Moulinets as well as your party member's AoE wheh it's at it's strongest is definitely a bigger gain than waiting 5 or more GCDs for Scatter to fill it.

There is also reason to consider Manafaction, even more so when used with Embolden. If both of these are up on a large pull and you are starting with fuller mana bars you can cap your mana then Embolden -> Moulinet (x2) -> Scatter (x2) -> Manafaction -> Moulinet (x3) while weaving in Contra Sixte and Fleche as you see fit, it's undoubtably the strongest burst of AoE a RDM can produce.

So yeah, "spam scatter" is really kinda underselling the ways you can use your abilities to help burn down a pull. It would be like telling a NIN to only Death Blossom - it's bettter than no AoE, sure, but it certainly isn't optimal.

Edit: Also not super clear on exactly what you meant surrounding peeling aggro but if you are pulling off the tank in an AoE pull by AoEing or tossing out a fee single-target abilities on different enemies for resource-gain purposes that is a tank problem not a DPS one. I have done the above mentioned 5-Moulinet AoE under Embolden on a WAR in Deliverance plenty of times with no warning, he still holds on to the enemies. Sometimes I go yellow/orange on one or two.

If that was aimed at something else then my bad, just wanted to clarify

**Laurawrzz** · 03-14-2018 05:32 AM

I main heal but I've been levelling RDM for a few weeks now. I know the annoyance of being a healer where people who are capable of.mana shift don't use it, so I make sure to use it when appropriate.

I hit the levelling roulette and got into a 60 dungeon. Mid-run, I've been watching the healer and subconsciously tracking their MP tools to make sure they're okay. The tank makes big pull. As always, I watch the healer's MP and once I know they have no MP recovery tools left, I shoot a mana shift so they can continue to DPS for a bit without worry. We eventually clear the pull, and the healer has a go at me for giving them mana shift, saying, 'I'm perfectly fine you stupid RDM' ...

... I'm confused.

**Avatre** · 03-14-2018 05:38 AM