Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

got out from o6n as mnk for last day loot (thank god i won), but apparently my dps is terrible and didn't deserved the loot. that tank kept sniping me for having low enmity despite my higher ilvl than the rest of the group. (iwas ilvl 353 and 4th and 5th using diversion on cd). i kept quiet and keep doing what im doing. at the end one member of the group point out diversion and the tank respond with how it's useless because he would never lose aggro. another point out because he's a "sub par shield oath" tank. got some "LOL" as respond from others. now i'm a little concerned tho. maybe he's right about my dps. i picked mnk as main starting 4.1 and never bothered reading a guide. my only dps gauge is SSS dummy. im not a raider but what's you guys do to gauge/improve dps without parser?

First and foremost, that tank is an idiot. Enmity means very little in relation to damage. Bard is among the weakest personal DPS jobs in the entire game yet generates the highest enmity by a mile. His remarks on Division only solidifies he knows absolutely nothing about Monk as that role skill is basically mandatory. At least when paired with a good tank that doesn't stay in Shield the whole fight. As for testing out your DPS, the best alternative is to ask a friend on PC to party with you. That way they can parse and provide you the results.

This is lv 61+.... if you’re just spamming scatter for aoe, you might need to go check your tooltips and rotation as well.

Except that is basically what Red Mages do? The only deviation to Scatter spam is Enchanted Moulinet and Contre Sixte. As the former is dependent on mana and the latter a oGCD, you'll spent most of your time spamming Scatter. Running out of TP on Paladin is expected during big pulls. They have no means of regenerating it and Total Eclipse devours TP.

[Bellsong]

Decided to dust off my PLD and do a levelling roulette and got Sirensong (lv 61 dungeon).

Got an AST, SMN, and RDM.

Within two pulls I noticed things were dying very slowly. After the first boss I just couldn’t stand it and said nicely, “Maybe you guys should check your tooltips and rotations.” At this point the RDM seemed slightly offended so I keep quiet and go on to 2nd boss where the SMN repeatedly gets 4-5 stacks of vuln from the shadows. I must’ve saved him like 5 times with Intervention.

I do the big pull after that boss and literally ran outta TP so I say something about the dps to which the RDM says, “I know my rotation just fine thank you. Besides I was 2nd on enmity list and my aggro bar was 2/3 full just now.”

To which I respond, “Cuz I was in dps stance to speed things up...”

I honestly tried to help...Hope you guys get better.

When you're at the point where you noticed things aren't going smoothly on big pulls you should've slowed down the pulls, and if you took the big pull after the 2ndboss in DPS stance then you were probably missing out on a lot of healer DPS because you must have been melting like butter after your cooldowns were up.

Maybe it's just me but I find things go better when I as the tank adjust to my party instead of expecting them to suddenly get better with unhelpful 'nicely said' commentary added to the mix just to stir the pot because I'm in a position where I'm pretty sure I won't get kicked no matter what I say because I'm the tank and they don't wanna sit around waiting for one or don't want to bother asking for a new one in their LS or NN of their servers.
Of course if it were me though in the situation and since I have experience with both classes it probably wouldn't have been to hard to tell where they were goofing up and explain how they could fix it to make the pulls go just a little bit smoother, and if not then small pulls would be just fine while they learned better if they so chose too.

[Madeen_Est]

This is lv 61+.... if you’re just spamming scatter for aoe, you might need to go check your tooltips and rotation as well.

eh… I'm sorry but RDM is my main now too what is wrong with scatter spamming since you mentioned you did large pull??
when I run dungeons and tank doing large/massive pulls(more than 3 adds) I just go with Scatter, Contre Sixte(when available) and Enchanted Moulinet too
is it not a good AoE rotation for large pull? << serious question, not sarcasm.

[jellopy]

“I just go with Scatter, Contre Sixte(when available) and Enchanted Moulinet too”

Thank you, that’s what I was looking for...not just scatter. I’d use flèche whenever it’s up too

Also, i stopped doing “big pulls” after the 2nd pack (the one right before first boss)
The one I was referring to was 2nd pull after 2nd boss (the one with a coffin looking mob and a bunch of zombies)

Maybe I’m asking too much from DF

[Gin_Gray]

First and foremost, that tank is an idiot.

Facts^ I've had tanks like that before and usually it take a group telling them high aggro doesn't equate high dps. I've only been told once or so (As a Sam mind you) that my aggro was too low while helping a o5s clear. The tank in question got a bit Irate for me using Diversion so for one pull I became a tank...provoke didn't help him and shirk in a pug is rare. A humbling experience that he very well learned why we use aggro reduction.

[Bellsong]

“I just go with Scatter, Contre Sixte(when available) and Enchanted Moulinet too”

Thank you, that’s what I was looking for...not just scatter. I’d use flèche whenever it’s up too

Also, i stopped doing “big pulls” after the 2nd pack (the one right before first boss)
The one I was referring to was 2nd pull after 2nd boss (the one with a coffin looking mob and a bunch of zombies)

Maybe I’m asking too much from DF

Or maybe you just asked badly, from the way you describe things I would be less inclined to listen to you in their shoes if you just said "Read tooltips" and "Something else about the slow DPS" instead of the actual rotations or skills themsevles which are both painfully simple to understand and describe.

The players were bad for sure but don't act like you were actually trying to "help" in this instance. cause all you've described you saying wouldn't exactly fall under "helpful" as much as "passive aggressive snark that people at this level didn't understand these things". Which I could understand the attitude. just don't label it as "helping".

[RokkuEkkusu]

I joined an unsynced Thordan EX farm party several weeks ago as my Mikeru Takeuchi character (Warrior role for this party) because that character still did not have the Archbishop Thordan VII card (he already had the Round Lanner Mount and Round Chocobo Barding long before Stormblood came out.)

So I joined one. I asked the party leader how the previous parties went. Despite having the "Duty Complete" flag, they were all failures. I was told they wiped one way or another.

I proposed to put an A waymark on the north spot where the sword is at so people who are not the MT can stack on the waymark for Spear of the Fury. Some people complained, but they eventually stacked while I mitigated the damage from the first part of the Spear damage spread as the OT.

My teammates and I beat Thordan constantly for several times until I finally got the 5-star card 20 successful runs later.

[Kallistra]

I'm a couple pages late on the "healers with no Esuna" thing...I also feel like this is deja vu, because I think I've had this happen before too.

Basically, I did Alliance Raid roulette earlier today. Got Dun Scaith. On the first boss Doom goes out and the 2 party members with it die. One of them types up, "Esuna???"

Both healers say something along the lines of, "Sh*t! I forgot to switch my cross role skills." But the real kicker here is they were both SCH...and they were both using Selene.

When I pointed out that Selene has an AoE Esuna they both stopped moving for a few moments (probably to facepalm) before making fun of themselves. They were good healers otherwise and the rest of the run went fine.

[SaitoHikari]

On the subject of Esuna:

Are healers just not slotting this anymore? I can't count how many times in Byakko Ex and Fractal HM (just two off the top of my head) where I get hit with paralysis because I either didn't do the lightning mechanic correctly (in Byakko Ex) because I'm not that great at it (100% my fault, I agree), or because I was just a little too far away from the mob that does the lightning donut attack in Fractal (second pack of trash, I think, after the first jump?) and the healers just don't Esuna it. Those are Esunable things, and yet in Byakko, of the 30+ clears I have, I can count on one hand how many runs I've had where healers actually Esuna that; not just off of me I should mention but others as well. I've actually asked for healers in Byakko to slot it, and was told once "it's fine, it doesn't last long." No, maybe not, but it means getting to your stack marker is much harder. Also means interrupted casts and potentially dropping Enochian for BLMs.

This is why I love being Bard. Paean AKA Bootleg Esuna -saves- runs in Byakko.

It's shameful that Bard is now a more reliable Esuna user than actual healers themselves (especially when Bard Esuna is -instant cast- and can outright BLOCK if used beforehand), by merit of the stupid healer role action system.

[jellopy]

I’m not going to force advice onto people who insist they know what they’re doing and refuse help.

Trust me, I usually don’t say anything unless things are going painfully slow.
Also I never assume that I’m better than the rest of the party just cuz I’m the tank.
I just give my best performance to respect other people’s time and expect the same or at least show effort/willingness to improve.

People say “You don’t pay my sub.”, but you don’t pay mine either so its really a mutual respect thing.