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    Player MoroMurasaki's Avatar
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    More of a "tales from multiple DFs lately" but...

    I fully understand that there are players out there who want to sit at max health all the time, I get it. These are very often the people playing "forum princess healers" and to that end I am generally unaffected by them (or have been) since I've done most of my playing as a healer.

    There is one subset of these people that irk me to no end though and that's the famous self (or even party) healing PLD and RDM. I am aware that your health is not full. I know. I also know that there is little to no incoming damage and the boss is almost dead. I know that Largresse is up in six seconds and I plan to throw up a Medica II and let the ticks do the work.

    I don't know if this has always been as prevalent as I've found it to be lately but when we are running literally any 4 man dungeon as a PUG I don't trust you any more than you trust me. That means I am not relying on someone's self heals to keep them off the floor because frankly most of the people I've seen in DF don't seem to have the sense of self preservation to use these skills in a pinch plus I am still the healer and (to an extent) your health is my job to maintain.

    Ffs let me do that job.

    I think at this point if I see a PLD or RDM healing themselves while they're above 70% I'm just going to stop healing them. Clearly they want something to do and I'd rather at least one of us prioritize actually killing the enemies.

    To make my point exceedingly clear I am not talking about a RDM using Vercure to proc Dualcast or even to spotheal themselves when they mess up a mechanic. I'm also not talking about a PLD healing themselves to throw up their shield (Divine Veil? I think) or even during a megapull to allow me to DPS for longer. This is aimed at the players who use these moves in excess and ultimately to the detriment of their personal DPS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki View Post
    Snip.
    I tend to ignore my health unless I see it below 25%, then I start to self heal. Or if the enemy/boss just died, and I have dualcast ready, and nothing close enough to cast on, then I throw that heal at whoever(sometimes even just myself though I'm at 100%). I do tend to trust healers more often than not...I don't get into parties that end up being the horror stories that people keep talking about here very often.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki View Post
    More of a "tales from multiple DFs lately" but...
    Eh, to be honest, I heal myself on PLD because if I see the healer DPSing, I want to give him more time to do so. I know they have offcds but I don't know if they have them ready. So, I'm totally sure than a SCH/AST/WHM DPSing will do more damage than my Total Eclipse spam, speciallly when I'm running out of TP. And yes, sometimes I start my cast at 60% or so, because by the time the cast is done, I probably took more damage. The moment I don't do that, is when I get a full-time healer that removed their DPS skills from their hotbars.

    The same way, when I play SCH, I got PLDs that heal themselves and I'm like "k, let's use that extra time and MP for some extra deeps". So it's a good thing from my perspective.
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    Player MoroMurasaki's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilseph View Post
    Eh, to be honest, I heal myself on PLD because if I see the healer DPSing, I want to give him more time to do so. I know they have offcds but I don't know if they have them ready. So, I'm totally sure than a SCH/AST/WHM DPSing will do more damage than my Total Eclipse spam, speciallly when I'm running out of TP. And yes, sometimes I start my cast at 60% or so, because by the time the cast is done, I probably took more damage. The moment I don't do that, is when I get a full-time healer that removed their DPS skills from their hotbars.


    The same way, when I play SCH, I got PLDs that heal themselves and I'm like "k, let's use that extra time and MP for some extra deeps". So it's a good thing from my perspective.
    I specifically stated that my issue with this practice did not lie with a PLD using clemency to heal themself during a large pull as I have superior AoE on any of the 3 healers. If we are talking about single target though there is no way for a healer to outdps a tank if both are playing at a similar skill level with a similar focus on DPS, short of the burst a WHM can put out with a PoM+Cleric combo which doesn't last forever.

    Basically it might be intended as a nice gesture by that tank but I think we're all trying to get through the majority of our roulettes as quickly as possible it is definitively inefficent for a PLD (much less a RDM) to stop damage on a boss to top themselves off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Awha View Post
    I do not heal, so I do not know if clutch heals is something one practices but geez I would think that is something you do with someone you know, not a random tank in the DF.
    It certainly isn't a 'clutch heal' if you're simply leaving someone not topped off when there is no incoming damage. Hell, in my example I stated this happening at 70% - if you consider that a clutch heal then I'm not trying to be rude but you are the kind of player I'm complaining about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki View Post

    It certainly isn't a 'clutch heal' if you're simply leaving someone not topped off when there is no incoming damage. Hell, in my example I stated this happening at 70% - if you consider that a clutch heal then I'm not trying to be rude but you are the kind of player I'm complaining about.
    Clutch heals in my eyes are any heals that do not result in the tank dying lol I have a very cavalier mindset when it comes to clutch heals. Though I do wonder where some got the idea good healing is letting the tank get as low as humanly possible before they start to cast a heal. I get trying to get spending as few gcds on heals, but seems some peeps take it to the extreme.
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    Last edited by Awha; 11-29-2017 at 06:33 AM.

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    Rozemyne Shyahoro
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki View Post
    *snip*
    I can relate since one time I had a paladin use clemency to such a degree that it was turning my oGCD heals on AST into 100% overheals. He said it was to give me more time to dps which sure there's nothing wrong with that but he apparently got really triggered when I brought it up. Next to last pack of enemies in Skalla and he uses clemency at 80% hp or so (single pull since the second dps wasn't with us for the first pull but he single pulled for the entire remainder of the dungeon even when they caught up), earthly star is about ready to blow up on its own and it turned into a 100% overheal.

    Clemency is helpful when used right. Detrimental if overused.
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    Been leveling up Mch, and got a wander's palace, tank asked the healer if they were okay with large pulls healer agreed. So the tank pulls to the first door, tank is rotating his CD's however we notice that the healer is not healing. Tanks dies after miss timing the heal. Healer then apologizes telling the tank that they are practicing clutch heals, poor tin can was kicked around many times that run. Never wiped so the idea of kicking the the healer never crossed our minds. Overall was a quick run though.

    I do not heal, so I do not know if clutch heals is something one practices but geez I would think that is something you do with someone you know, not a random tank in the DF.
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    Last edited by Awha; 11-29-2017 at 04:39 AM.

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    Vice Shark
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    The clutxh heal post made me laugh. If that healer wants to go practice clutch heals, the best place to do it is in raids, particularly with people who just started learning the mechs or are derping then. It's the most brutal training any healer will ever get. Nothing gets quite clutch when you only have a few seconds to make a healing related decision count. If you ever decided to raise SMN first because you know your dead cohealer had just used its mp mgmt cds before he died and the SMN has access to aetherflow and mana shift, congratulations: you just became a clutch healing master.

    Its an extreme example, I know but the difference here is that the healer in DF is the one creating the circumstances for training in clutch healing. The real training is done when you're constantly subjected to clusterbomb situations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    Healing DRK is literally... the same since ShB. The reason why people think it's a meme to heal nowadays because DRK receives very little to no buff to their sustainability vs 3 other tanks getting something useful. If you're capable of healing DRK back in ShB (or any tanks), then you'll heal EW DRK just fine.

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    Evan Lionheart
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    I guess i learned an important lesson in Solo Duty Finder.
    Don't leave Justice to the people, if they don't know how to use it.
    Goddamn meatgrinder.

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    MCH/BRD/PLD


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    Arlizz Teirez
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    What the hell is “clutch heal” ?
    Struggle to heal or something ?
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