Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Awful]

Got Bardams Mettle today on my Drg for leveling roulette before getting off as it was the last one I needed, I noticed that the Mch had some reaaaally low HP I look over and he's got Weathered Gloam Accessories (ilvl 100) and an ilvl 180 weapon and the rest of his gear is 2 pieces of lvl 60 Shire gear and some Neverreap/Fractal gear. I just logged off that was enough of FFXIV for one day.

[KaivaC]

Was running an experiment with a brand new alt Marauder (just doing normal sprout stuff, hoping to learn how other FCs recruit players) and queued into Satasha with a WHM, a THM, and a LNC. What bothered me a lot about the run was the THM constantly casting blizzard, then a thunder, then back to blizzard – occasionally he would throw out a fire. But given that this was Satasha and he was a sprout, I gave him the benefit of the doubt. Just as I was about to pipe up and try to help him, the WHM, who is also a regular player in sprout disguise, asks the THM if he had lucid dreaming.

I’m pretty sure I’m not crazy, but even though I barely have a THM leveled, I am pretty sure that they don’t need lucid dreaming for MP purposes unless the player doesn’t know the job. I could be wrong, but you throw out your fire spells, then go into umbral ice mode to restore MP, then switch back.

Right? Because if not, me and that WHM got into that spat for nothing.

[Steel_Arrow]

Just as I was about to pipe up and try to help him, the WHM, who is also a regular player in sprout disguise, asks the THM if he had lucid dreaming.

I’m pretty sure I’m not crazy, but even though I barely have a THM leveled, I am pretty sure that they don’t need lucid dreaming for MP purposes unless the player doesn’t know the job. I could be wrong, but you throw out your fir`e spells, then go into umbral ice mode to restore MP, then switch back.

Right? Because if not, me and that WHM got into that spat for nothing.

Correct, blm does not need lucid dreaming unless they completely botch their rotation and somehow land below the mp for blizzard with no effect up. It can happen, but you have to be really bad to the point of almost trying. It doesn't give enough MP regen to amount to another attack during the fire stance. Umbral ice is basically intended to be a rapid refill, so Blm should actually be able to transfer MP to the healer every time mana shift is off cooldown.

But usually it's never worth the spat. Too many people derping in roulettes to ever make a difference.

[KaivaC]

Correct, blm does not need lucid dreaming unless they completely botch their rotation and somehow land below the mp for blizzard with no effect up. It can happen, but you have to be really bad to the point of almost trying. It doesn't give enough MP regen to amount to another attack during the fire stance. Umbral ice is basically intended to be a rapid refill, so Blm should actually be able to transfer MP to the healer every time mana shift is off cooldown.

But usually it's never worth the spat. Too many people derping in roulettes to ever make a difference.

Ok, thanks. I wasn't entirely sure because it's been forever since I touched that class. The spat maybe lasted at most, 8 sentences. I stopped because I didn't want the other sprouts to think that this is how the community is over something so simple. That and he was new...unfortunately, I forgot to tell him his ideal rotation.

[Amirya]

Unless I just went full on stupid-mode, Lucid Dreaming also reduces Emnity. I doubt the THM was pulling aggro on anything, but...?

[Steel_Arrow]

Unless I just went full on stupid-mode, Lucid Dreaming also reduces Emnity. I doubt the THM was pulling aggro on anything, but...?

Prior to 70 you're not putting out that much burst. At 70, if you lead in with a pair of fouls and then triplecast flares, you can pull aggro, but not much outside of that. If you need both at any level, your tank is bad and is probably using single target crap on an aoe pull.

You mixed up their enmity effects. Also, if a BLM drops below the required MP for Blizzard, which is impossible unless they're in Astral Fire, they can use the level 4 skill of Transpose to get an Umbral Ice stack, then wait 3 seconds for MP regen.

Source: Am an actual BLM main.

Also, a BLM who starts a boss fight with triplecast Flares should be slapped upside the head.

I didn't say anything about triplecasting flares on a boss fight.
And it is possible to land below the MP for blizzard with no effect - although hard to do, as I said in the post.
It's almost as if you're intentionally misreading what I said, just so you can find fault with it.

And Source??? Give me a break. This isn't Yahoo Answers.

If we've proven anything here it's that the best way to get your question answered is not to ask one question, but to give a different answer.
People wouldn't take the time to answer it themselves will jump all over the chance to correct someone who did.

The focus of the thread isn't about looking the smartest, so let's not derail it by being petty.
Like they say in Frozen, snowflake, it's time to Let It Go.

[Mysterysword]

Diversion is superior. It instantly drops your threat by half. Lucid Dreaming reduces your threat generated over the duration.

You mixed up their enmity effects. Also, if a BLM drops below the required MP for Blizzard, which is impossible unless they're in Astral Fire, they can use the level 4 skill of Transpose to get an Umbral Ice stack, then wait 3 seconds for MP regen.

Source: Am an actual BLM main.

Also, a BLM who starts a boss fight with triplecast Flares should be slapped upside the head.

[Frizze]

Yeah, Diversion is the one that reduces the threat you generate. Lucid is the one that dumps half the enmity you currently have. Also, im 99% sure Astral Fire completely shuts off all mana regen - even from lucid or a bards refresh. So it would only help with that if you somehow cast down to less then a blizzard cast worth of mp and werent in the fire stance(where you would transpose as Mystery said). Otherwise Kaiva you had it right. Fire spells to damage(ideally with thunder dot ticking), switch(transpose/B3) to ice to regen, then back again. Oh, and no. Its entirely possible they wouldnt have had lucid as an option anyway. It unlocks as a roll action at level 24.

Source: Also main BLM.

[Mysterysword]

Lucid is the one that dumps half the enmity you currently have. Also, im 99% sure Astral Fire completely shuts off all mana regen - even from lucid or a bards refresh.

I remember when SB first dropped and I was so happy about getting LD: Finally, another source of MP for me to squeeze in just one more Fire/Fire IV!

Then I realised it doesn't work.

[Paladinleeds]

Diversion is superior. It instantly drops your threat by half. Lucid Dreaming reduces your threat generated over the duration. Prior to 70 you're not putting out that much burst. At 70, if you lead in with a pair of fouls and then triplecast flares, you can pull aggro, but not much outside of that. If you need both at any level, your tank is bad and is probably using single target crap on an aoe pull.

Other way round. Lucid halves it, Diversion reduces further enmity gains.
Lucid Dreaming vs Diversion

Also, im 99% sure Astral Fire completely shuts off all mana regen - even from lucid or a bards refresh.

Didn't realise this was the case. So decided to jump on my BLM, throw on Lucid Dreaming as a role action, go to the striking dummy in my front garden, Flare then Lucid. You're right, Lucid Dreaming doesn't work. Sorry, had to go and see this for myself because I thought for sure it worked and it was only DRK's Darkside that worked in the way you suggested. TIL...