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  1. #10251
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    Nix's Avatar
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    Fluffy Pancake
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    Hyperion
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi View Post
    snippu
    I don't have a problem with big pullers, but there's still a point where the big pull goes over the top needlessly; I think we would have been fine had the DRK not pulled the gunships... I threw everything I had at the DRK; all CDs, benison, you name it and he was just so damn squishy that there was so way I was going to keep 'em up. They eased off a little after their death and still did large pulls but nothing quite so excessive. It was their first time in the dungeon so ionno if they were just testing limits or what, but still...

    I'm not new to healing, I know how to maximize my arsenal, but sometimes you can't out-heal a ridiculous pull :/ and this is where my issue lies - tanks and DPS that think saying 'spam harder' will magically make me able to ignore GCD lockouts and whatnot because they decided they wanted to pull more than they, or the pt could handle.

    tl;dr - Big pull = OK, excessive pull = y u like this
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    Last edited by Nix; 06-25-2017 at 11:31 AM.

    Act in such a way that you treat humanity, whether in your own person or in the person of another, always at the same time as an end and never simply as a means

  2. #10252
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    BlastHardcheese's Avatar
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    Green Flame
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    Omega
    Main Class
    Dragoon Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Nix View Post
    snip
    I'm with you, pretty much every dungeon I ran leveling in SB had this happen.

    I kept myself as geared as one could be considering it's a first job through (so having that annoying need to run dungeons to get gear but the runs being a bit dodgy until you get the gear.) If I had a 100 gil for every snarky Tank remarking how he's lucky to be alive after pulling all and sundry while wearing the quest grays I could buy a mansion on Balmung. You're alive Conan be thankful for that much.

    I can't for the life of me understand why they've removed most of the gate mobs but obviously made the trash a bit more deadly, it's encouraging arguments because most Tanks just can't accept they're not as strong as they were pre SB.

    /saltoff
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  3. #10253
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    kupokage's Avatar
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    Amanda's Husband
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    Exodus
    Main Class
    Gladiator Lv 90
    Tanking Kugane Castle.

    Wipe on second boss because adds were ignored and they exploded.

    I express my disappointment in the DPS for failing to pick up adds. Their response? "Im new to this dungeon."

    Apparantly killing adds had to be retaught at level 70.
    (2)

  4. #10254
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    KisaiTenshi's Avatar
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    Kisa Kisa
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    Excalibur
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Nix View Post
    I don't have a problem with big pullers, but there's still a point where the big pull goes over the top needlessly;
    SB's new trick is "second wave" of mobs before the mobs you pulled are defeated, hence people who think they're being cheeky by pulling big, end up with more enemies than they can possibly deal with at that current armor level.

    Every time a tank has died thus far, was due to these second waves of mobs before the big pull was finished. At any rate I've just kinda shake my head and say nothing or "it's okay" if they apologize. I never feel the need for a big pull, I'm not impatient, but these tissue paper tanks need to actually be geared for it, and it's very hard to heal a tank that can't last 5 seconds with everything thrown at them.

    So sometimes you just have to let them fail. I'm not suggesting 'oh they pulled 3 groups, I'm just gonna wait over here', but more like, don't try to res them if you know it's just going to wipe anyway.
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  5. #10255
    Player
    Nix's Avatar
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    Hyperion
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    Quote Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi View Post
    squeaku
    100% <3

    Thankfully, that DRK last night is the only wipe I've had - the rest I've been able to heal through frantically haha.
    (0)

    Act in such a way that you treat humanity, whether in your own person or in the person of another, always at the same time as an end and never simply as a means

  6. #10256
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    YitharV2's Avatar
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    Arnar Grande
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    Ultros
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    White Mage Lv 70
    So I was doing Lakshmi earlier and this RDM got so upset that we weren't getting the mechanic. Like how about he explain it? I didn't get that the orbs restored Vitri until my FC mate told me. Some people are slow learners. I get being frustrated (I got frustrated when a first time SMN kept wiping us in Baelsar's Wall because they wouldn't destroy the Restraint Collar), but that's no reason to lash out at people. It wasn't just me who wasn't quite understanding the mechanic either. If you don't want to deal with first timers then take your penalty and leave. I'm sure there are people already saying that people should've watched a guide.

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  7. #10257
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    Indefiinable's Avatar
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    Nyx Kai
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    Phoenix
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    Rogue Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Nix View Post
    Not sure who or what you're referring to here~
    Ah apologies responding to the general salt of healers who don't/didn't dps
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  8. #10258
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    TaranTatsuuchi's Avatar
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    Aryn Tatsuuchi
    World
    Balmung
    Main Class
    Samurai Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by kupokage View Post
    Tanking Kugane Castle.

    Wipe on second boss because adds were ignored and they exploded.

    I express my disappointment in the DPS for failing to pick up adds. Their response? "Im new to this dungeon."

    Apparantly killing adds had to be retaught at level 70.
    Seriously, I go into dungeons blind my first time...
    I operate on the standard, "Kill the adds, try to not stand in the fire"


    That usually gets me through 90% of content.
    Anything else that's required I can pick up fairly quickly.
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  9. #10259
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    Kahnom's Avatar
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    Arlizz Teirez
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    Jenova
    Main Class
    Monk Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by YitharV2 View Post
    Whoa so I can L2+R3 ?
    Damn it,i'm on ps4 and everytime i have to use vril-
    I..er..manually use my index finger touch the touchpad and slide it to the icon then press rapidly ...
    I got knocked off platform around 4-5 times that run ...So much for first impression..
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    Last edited by Kahnom; 06-25-2017 at 08:42 PM.

  10. #10260
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    Hikuras's Avatar
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    Hikaru Matsumura
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    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 70
    Is it bad I LOVE the fact tanks can't mass pull everything cause mobs will either KILL you or deaggro and go BACK to their spots? I fucking LOVE THIS KEEP THIS GOING! I'm so happy mobs hit like M.Bison on bullshit and love they are stopping this nonsense with speedrunning EVERYTHING. THANK YOU SE.
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