Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Mysterysword]

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Oh, that wasn't aimed at you. I'm sorry you thought it was. Especially since, you know, I didn't quote or reply to any of your comments.

On another note: Tanks wearing slaying accessories. In Expert Roulette. With the bare essentials of ilvl 230 fending gear. I'm sorry, but there is only so much Quelling Strikes can do. When I, as a BLM, use QStrikes every time it's off cooldown and still end up dying to tankbusters, it's just out of my hands at that point.

[JohnnyDevo]

Alright, so this zurvan nm argument is multiple pages long, I just wanted to drop in and offer my opinion as a healer main. As credentials, I'm orange in DPS on every primal except two, where I'm purple, and I'm orange in healing for 3 of the 4 primals (sephirot and up) that were relevant starting from when I hit 60. I'm purple in most raid content, but would be higher if I had ever found a group for it. If you look them over you'll notice that I have far fewer uploaded logs for savage than I do for primals. However, I do hold 14th place among all WHM worldwide healing records for A11S.

The only reason I'm saying any of that is to stress that I am a healer main, and I do know my stuff, just so that lunaxia can't use the same out of "don't say something about a role you know nothing about".

Anywho. Those healers in that zurvan NM were absolute trash. Nothing about their play was admirable. Period. When you push the limits of dps, you never ever neglect your primary role. To do so means you're a bad healer. Forcing the tank to 5% hp and then continuing to dps is neglecting your primary role. Not raising people who have died due to you neglecting your primary role is also neglecting your primary role. Having to be told to heal by the DPS who just got killed when both tanks are down is just bottom of the barrel.

They're not admirable at all. They're lazy and/or conceited, only caring about personal numbers. I've met the type before; they think they're great healers because they get 99% damage numbers, but they neglect to heal, assuming their partner is going to do it. They have inflated senses of self-ego in having high-ranking damage, and they do it on a healer class because it's so much easier to worry about 6 buttons for a dps rotation than it is to play an actual DPS properly. They want those great healer DPS numbers because they honestly suck at dealing damage on any other class. They're not pushing healer dps, their pushing their egos. And their egos are coming at a cost of their primary role.

Bottom line is, healer dps should only be pushed when you're not neglecting your primary role. These healers were 100% neglecting their primary role, and there is nothing about them to defend. I would 100% prefer a healer who only heals to a healer who only does dps.

[bounddreamer]

Bottom line is, healer dps should only be pushed when you're not neglecting your primary role. These healers were 100% neglecting their primary role, and there is nothing about them to defend. I would 100% prefer a healer who only heals to a healer who only does dps.

Thank you. You said everything i wanted to say but didn't have have the energy to phrase properly.

I've tanked and healed that fight, normal mode and extreme. And there's just no excuse, to me, for a healer to let tanks die as they have been.

I did trial roulette earlier this week with my co tank and we were both pretty shocked when the healers let him die to the final Tyrfing. It wasn't as bad as the other person's account, I picked Zurvan up right away and they raised my co tank right away, we cleared, okay nothing to complain about.

That other story? Definitely something to complain about. That kind of thing causes tanxiety for Duty Finder content.

People seem pretty on edge here lately. We have a lot of stuff to be excited about and a lot of change coming. Let's try to give our neighbors and duty finder the same kind of grace we would want them to give us, shall we?

[Lunaxia]

Oh, that wasn't aimed at you. I'm sorry you thought it was. Especially since, you know, I didn't quote or reply to any of your comments.

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You really only needed that last paragraph to make your point, but by all means jump on the bandwagon.

I'm not defending their behaviour as being good healers. I just don't see the cause for hysteria because they pushed damage and made some mistakes. I prefer that to lazy healers any day. They didn't only DPS either, the party made it through, so calm down with the pitchforks.

[JohnnyDevo]

Oh this is rich. I literally have 10 posts (11 now) and you accuse me of caring about the number of thumbs at the bottom of my post when I disagree with you.

[Lunaxia]

Oh this is rich. I literally have 10 posts (11 now) and you accuse me of caring about the number of thumbs at the bottom of my post when I disagree with you.

Is your number of posts relevant?

It's the only reason I see for just repeating what other users have already said, only with "BUT A11S" tacked on. I get it. DPS-happy is bad, lazy healers better, etc. etc. etc.

[Mysterysword]

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Why you trippin'?

I just love how so far, you've been trying to defend your hypocritical standpoint with nothing but ad hominems. It's actually quite funny. This person's just picking a fight with you. That person is just looking for likes. This person hasn't played a healer at 60, so clearly their arguments are invalid. What next, this person doesn't have BiS for all healer jobs, so clearly they don't know what they're talking about?

[floofuf]

I've tried to "de-escalate" with her multiple times to get back on good terms since the time she called me an elitist.

That's the bad part. She's shown she doesn't care and would rather you leave her alone. You're basically forcing your ideas onto her, no matter if you're intentions are good or bad. I commend you for attempting to help, but you went way too far.

Edit: I just wanted to also say everyone should try to help, but if people aren't receptive to it there's not much you can do. Instead of arguing with them either vote kick, leave it alone, or leave. There's unfortunately not a lot you can do in this situation.

I also have a story. I always thought I was a terrible healer, but I'd say I'm more of an average one. I went into Weeping City for the first time and boy was I handed my butt. I feel terrible for my WHM buddy because they had to raise me every fight, but they were really nice about it and we joked. I think I'm going to spare everyone by just going as a DPS for now on. Healing has been getting on my nerves recently, anyway.

[Lunaxia]

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I was talking to the aforementioned person in a previous thread about DPS being optional for healers, which they were a proponent of. I'm quite aware why they came after me in this thread, and I was responding in kind. No, I don't take seriously the point of view of someone without any healers at 60 who also believes throwing out a Cure II now and then provides the same contribution to a run as DPS and tanks do. Call it ad hominem if you wish.

Point out the hypocrisy. Point out where I'm not responding to arguments. I've already responded to everything being said, and if you've not seen it that I'm assuming selective reading is at work. Or would you rather make vague, thinly veiled comments and then pretend you weren't talking to me?

[bounddreamer]

Point out the hypocrisy. Point out where I'm not responding to arguments. I've already responded to everything being said, and if you've not seen it that I'm assuming selective reading is at work. Or would you rather make vague, thinly veiled comments and then pretend you weren't talking to me?

That's great....but this isn't a discussion thread for healer dps, pro or against, thank god. This is a venting thread. Someone came to vent. You basically said "what's the big deal, you cleared, doesn't sound that bad, party didn't skip Soar (PSA: in Zurvan Normal I have never seen a party skip Soar) which explains the healers dpsing at the expense of the party" with the implication of why are you complaining here.

From that point on, when the OP tried to explain why they thought they were justified in venting (when really, no one has to justify why they subjectively thought something from their own experience was worth venting) you've picked at them and anyone else who spoke up in defense of that entry.

Respectfully submitted, it's not up for debate. You seem very invested in defending what looks to a lot of people like a couple of healers nearly letting their duty finder party burn to the ground.

These are duty finder stories. Salt is for the popcorn.