Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[ReddAxel]

Got AV for my low level roulette today. My Ninja was really close to 60.

Healer leaves before everyone is loading in. There's one every AV run, I swear. Get a new healer, level 50+ AST. Trash goes fine, we get to the first boss.

We wipe. Healer says they got something in their eye and couldn't heal. Okay. Try it again. Wipe again. Healer blames me for taking their fruit and they were unable to find any others. Fine. Whatever. Third try, wait for them to eat their fruit so they don't complain. Get really close to wiping again anyway.

Oh, yeah something I forgot to mention in my post that your post just reminded me of. Our healer said the same thing, which strikes me as odd...there's 4 fruits so, one person per fruit. its not like the fruit grew legs and walked off on its own lol. Made me do a head tilt.

[Noxifer]

The first time I ran my level 60 Ex roulette, I got Neverbleep. Since it was only my second time tanking it, and since my gear was still... well... sub-par (hadn't gotten any tank loot from the library), I decided to go a bit slower. Split the first island up into two pulls. Only... I die on the second group, because in between those two pulls the healer dropped out and I didn't even notice until I felt that lack of incoming healing O.o Didn't say anything, just dropped party. My guess was that he wasn't happy about how I pulled, but... come on >.<

Admittedly, it was during the last few days before they released Alex Normal, so more or less everyone was in a 'need. moar. tomes' mindset, but even so it was a pretty shitty thing to do :<
Also made me refuse to go into my roulettes with anything less than healer and one dps by my side for the next three or four weeks. (Well, that and one or two other hectic runs with people too impatient to even remember the meaning of the word 'polite'.)



Random responses to people:

I was doing a Vault run leveling my dragoon and I was consistently ripping off hate from the Warrior tank. I brought it up and he told me to stop popping my cooldowns so he can grab aggro. My mind just kinda blanked from that statement.

Also, that a Warrior tank was having aggro issues in a level synced dungeon.

Well... DRG has pretty high damage output, and especially during the start of a fight it can get pretty stressful if a DPS gets too many crits and/or procs ^^; If the warrior you ran into wasn't too comfortable with that job, holding aggro is probably more difficult than for someone who mains WAR.

That was the only time i've ever seen someone forget their soul gem. And i still question how he accidentally equiped a gladiator set (because once you obtain your soul gem, your set updates to the job after you save your gear set)

Unless you have a gearset saved as gladiator because it's your 'faffing about in [housing area]' gear. Or if you have two or more tanks unlocked, replace some gear and have one gearset updated -- switch to that one and just replace the weapon to change class. That last one has happened to me more often than I'd like ^^; Mostly back during the i110-130 period. It took me a while to remember that unlike the relic weapons, tomestone weapons are equippable by base classes and thus don't auto-equip the stone ^^;

It's a waste of mana at that point really though

MP isn't really that much of an issue for a scholar, though -- which is the job with the most dots.
If I'm not comfortable leaving the tank alone for a few GCDs, either because I'm unfamiliar with the dungeon or don't trust the tank, I'll throw out a dot here and there without cleric stance (most commonly Miasma II, since it not only hits several enemies but also doesn't require me to switch target from the tank). Sure, they're not nearly as potent as they would be with CS on, but the way I see it... even 20% of CS damage is more than 0% of CS damage ^^;

But yeah, a healer's primary task is to heal, and it's better to focus on doing only that if you're either new/inexperienced or tired. Sure, fights take a bit longer, but not nearly as long as they would if the group wipes ^_~

[xXRaineXx]

This is the worst! I see this all the time in low level runs. Its like they are bored but dont want to do anything so they just run in circles waiting on people to get hurt enough.

Ikr? A lot of people here are giving excuses like 'stance dance' or 'waste of mp'/'it is hard' etc. I call nonsense. I had a WHM a couple times who could Holy spam and heal during a overpull with over 7 enemies.

So okay, that WHM might be a great WHM. But even the average WHM/SCH I've seen averages 300 dps during pulls. But 0? You people do understand what ZERO means right? The best can do over 1000, the average can to 500, and what I don't even... 0?? It's like a Bard saying 'I don't use WM, cos it's hard and you have to stance dance'. No. Just no.
I don't generally point fingers at people, I normally just stay quiet and go with it. But when someone is obviously being lazy, there is no excuse for it. I don't expect the best dps from them, even 50-100dps I will be happy.
If the healer is new or something, like sometimes I see healers with sub par hp like 9000. Then I won't push them too hard.

Also, I've seen many numbers to come to this. I take numbers from every ex roulette run that I do and what I see, overall average dps throughout the entire run is around 800 for DPS. Tanks do around 400 and healers around 200. Now before you come at me with pitchforks, I don't shove these numbers at every player that I see. It's just purely for my own curiosity and so I can try do better than previous runs and learn how to improve. Like I won't complain if a dps is doing 400dps on a boss, in my head I will be, but I won't say anything. Just means I have to do my best for the rest of the group.
But it is sad and disappointing to see Healers such as WHM's just stand there doing nothing half of the time.

[AskaRay]

It's like a Bard saying 'I don't use WM, cos it's hard and you have to stance dance'.

YET........

[Avidria]

It's like a Bard saying 'I don't use WM, cos it's hard and you have to stance dance'.

I'd say that's a whole lot sillier than a whm who isn't dpsing. Especially since WM doesn't really require that much stance dancing (I almost always have it up and if I need to shut it off there's plenty of time for me to do it without screwing up my rotation) and people aren't at risk of outright dying if I somehow mess up my timing on turning WM on/off. That, and my primary job is dps...WM is just more of what I'm already doing anyway.

I've also noticed that sometimes I have to wait before/after clicking off cleric stance for it to actually shut off as well. Really irritating to try to shut it off and toss off a big heal only to have it do crap for heals because I'm apparently still in cleric stance. Always have to double check to make sure it's actually off before healing. :/

[sirDarts]

Ikr? A lot of people here are giving excuses like 'stance dance' or 'waste of mp'/'it is hard' etc. I call nonsense. I had a WHM a couple times who could Holy spam and heal during a overpull with over 7 enemies.

1) Holy is just one spell. For optimal SCH DPS you need 3-4 spells + Bane.
2) Holy has a stun attached, so it lowers the incoming damage making healing easier.
3) You still need to PERFECTLY know the dungeon and trust the tank to pull this off.

Mind you, I am not saying I don't DPS, as already said, I will do my absolute best to never have downtime. But for some weird reason sometimes my 5th mouse button doesn't work, and that's the button I use for Cleric Stance, I would have to restart the PC to fix this, and I often don't want to do that, so I just run without stance dancing = I only use my Damage macro on bosses and won't DPS on trash like I normally do.
But yeah, to use more than Shadow Flare + Miasma II you really have to have a good tank, a full DoT rotation requires 3 * 2.5 = 7.5 seconds to just apply the DoTs, then you have to wait for the server to register Bio before hitting Bane, so the tank is at least 8-9 seconds without healing, which requires either small pulls, or a massively overgeared tank or a perfect use of CDs by the tank.

[Adire]

Had a level 50 WHM in Toto Rak who let me die to 3 diremites. He was standing there busy DPSing, while not even in cleric stance.

This is why I don't complain when healers don't want to dps. There seems to be a surplus of healers since 3.0 launched that prioritize dps over healing, and know how to do neither efficiently.

[_Pigzig]

when i join group and see two bards
ill do it but i aint happy

[sayafrost]

I bryflox HM - it wasn't that bad just the start was really bad.
I went HL roulette as WHM; I got it to 50 time ago and then never touched it anymore, but I want to learn and I got better after runs with my friends so i decided why not. We got Bry HM which i never ever healed, and I said that at the beginning - then the tank PULLS EVERYTHING... but the main problem wasn't that. At some point they stopped so I popped my divine seal and presence of mind......... and then after my first heal they decided that no they would just grab even more so they run away and me after them.... when they got the whole group... my presence of mind and divine heal were on cd and we wiped........................................ i felt so bad about that ç_ç but but I was ready I would have managed if they didn't do the false stop ç_ç - they didn't even told me they would do massive pulls ç_ç

After that I healed everything well - having prepared myself for the massive pulls.

[Sapphic]

when i join group and see two bards
ill do it but i aint happy

Moral of this topic is: No matter what DPS jobs you get, it can still go hella slow XD