Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Jimmymagic]

I have a super unique experience that I am 100% absolutely sure that not a single FF player has ever encountered ever. This one time in a duty, the DPS couldn't do the mechanics and blamed the healer for wiping.

That's every dungeon. LMAO

[Rilifane]

As a healer, I actually never ask for bigger pulls if a tank chooses to do small packs; I automatically assume they don't feel like pulling big, they are back in tanking after a while, maybe undergeared or else. In the end, it's a 5 minutes difference in the dungeon, it's alright. (And sometimes you have Tank and Healer ok with big packs but painfully bad DPS that make it harder)

If you want to speedrun roulettes, do it with friends because you can't guarantee you'll be matched with people that have the same mindset than you.

I do encourage tanks to pull bigger because many tanks are simply mistrustful of random healers and I understand that. You can't be sure you have decent healer who can keep up and even if the first packs seemed to be just fine, a certain mistrust often remains.
Many aren't against pulling bigger at all, they simply don't trust what they get via DF. Understandably so. There's a reason this thread is over 2k pages long...
I write something like "you can pull bigger if you want, I can handle it" and assure them they don't need to be afraid they overdid it just because they droped quite a bit. So far, most were happy to oblidge.

[Nononu]

"You can make bigger pulls, it's okay."

It's normal Copperbell. I can't. I wish I could, but I can't. The dungeon won't let me.

[Pepsi_Plunge]

"You can make bigger pulls, it's okay."

It's normal Copperbell. I can't. I wish I could, but I can't. The dungeon won't let me.

That and the problem with early dungeons is that most classes can't do AOE, so the trash mobs don't die very quicker anyway.
Stupid 'you need to be level 40 to AOE' DRG-restriction, grrr...

[Veis_Alveare]

I'm with you, if the tank doesn't want to pull bigger.. is it really anyone elses place to force them to? The dungeons were technically designed to be one pack at a time, if you want optimal runs PF is the way to go. DF you take what you get. Especially if you're meeting minimum standards. Complain if someone is just standing there or actually failing to do their job, but sometimes you're gonna get someone who isn't interested in sprint clearing and if they simply ignore your attempts to request it.. most of us take the hint and just get it done.

The "if you want to play a specific way use PF" argument works just as well when you flip it on a single-pull tank; if you want to go one pack at a time open a PF that says so, if not keep up with the flow of traffic.

If it were a dungeon that the healer was risking the party's survival in by pulling for the tank I would understand the kick... the thing is it's Xephatol. You can do it with 4 dps, tank and healer are literally ornamental there since the way level syncing works means we outgear it by about as much as it's possible to outgear something.

The tank was a whiny baby who happened to have friends with him. He may have gotten his vote kick passed but you can't say he's acrually morally correct when at the end of the day he kicked someome who was only making the run faster. That's like kicking your top dps for killing the enemies too fast.

[HyoMinPark]

"You can make bigger pulls, it's okay."

It's normal Copperbell. I can't. I wish I could, but I can't. The dungeon won't let me.

That and the problem with early dungeons is that most classes can't do AOE, so the trash mobs don't die very quicker anyway.
Stupid 'you need to be level 40 to AOE' DRG-restriction, grrr...

I get really sad when a tank will do larger pulls in the leveling dungeons and I’m on a job that doesn’t get an AOE until their level 40s—had one the other day in Stone Vigil when I was level 41 on my alt (leveling NIN) who did fairly huge pulls with two NINs in the party. Neither of us had Death Blossom yet so we were like “Katon every 20s...yaaaay....” Healer was also an AST so... “No Gravity...yaaaaaaaaaay...” (Tank was a PLD... and I don’t think you have Total Eclipse until level 46 so BIGGER YAY...)

Honestly, that’s something that needs to be fixed. I think all classes should have access to an AOE at level 20 at the latest.

[Krotoan]

The "if you want to play a specific way use PF" argument works just as well when you flip it on a single-pull tank; if you want to go one pack at a time open a PF that says so, if not keep up with the flow of traffic.

If it were a dungeon that the healer was risking the party's survival in by pulling for the tank I would understand the kick... the thing is it's Xephatol. You can do it with 4 dps, tank and healer are literally ornamental there since the way level syncing works means we outgear it by about as much as it's possible to outgear something.

The tank was a whiny baby who happened to have friends with him. He may have gotten his vote kick passed but you can't say he's acrually morally correct when at the end of the day he kicked someome who was only making the run faster. That's like kicking your top dps for killing the enemies too fast.

He wasn't lacking at his job, he just didn't want to go as fast as possible. Which, while lamentable for someone who is pressed for time or doesn't WANT to do 1 pack pulls , isn't unreasonable. I don't like that it escalated to someone getting kicked who WAS doing their job.. but if someone asks you not to do something beyond the basics of the encounter why do you have a right to make them exceed set standards?
It doesn't work in reverse because the standards for the Dungeon are being met. If you want something special you PF, if you want a clear you do DF and you take what you get. Clearing the content and doing your basic function is all can be expected.
Tank reacted badly sure, but making people run things beyond basic standards if they don't want to isn't good either.

[Veis_Alveare]

He wasn't lacking at his job, he just didn't want to go as fast as possible. Which, while lamentable for someone who is pressed for time or doesn't WANT to do 1 pack pulls , isn't unreasonable. I don't like that it escalated to someone getting kicked who WAS doing their job.. but if someone asks you not to do something beyond the basics of the encounter why do you have a right to make them exceed set standards?
It doesn't work in reverse because the standards for the Dungeon are being met. If you want something special you PF, if you want a clear you do DF and you take what you get. Clearing the content and doing your basic function is all can be expected.
Tank reacted badly sure, but making people run things beyond basic standards if they don't want to isn't good either.

But the healer wasn't forcing the tank to do anything. There was no talk of "hey tank! Get these enemies off me that I pulled!" and (judging by the apparent competence of the healer in question) there wouldn't have been because that healer would know that even if they were holding threat on an entire trash pack they were still fine.

The tank doesn't have any right to be the first one to hit something as long as the person going before the tank understands that they're going to take a few smacks to the face in the process. In a lot of content this isn't viable because the healer may not be good enough to keep multiple people alive or the enemies may hit for too much damage; since nether was the case here the tank's complaint boils down to "I'm the tank let me go first" which is just throwing a temper tantrum for no reason.

[Nononu]

It's not so much about having non-existent AOE at that point, to be honest. It's more the fact that Copperbell is the only dungeon that I can think of off the top of my head where the mobs obnoxiously leash. Then they ping pong back and forth between someone in the party and releashing and going invulnerable and getting all their HP back and back to the party and releashing and going invulnerable - that, and there's just like. What? Two areas where you can big pull? The wooden bridges and the very end caverns. It's not even worth it, to be honest.

Also, is it Blizzard II that is the THM/BLM bind + close aoe? Why do I see THM/BLMs in a dungeon who will just... stand as far away as possible from the mobs and cast Blizzard II? It's no good there. Run into the mobs. Cast it there. Granted I don't know anything at all about BLM but... that seems the correct thing to do instead of bringing a sudden halt to your DPS 'cause it's not hitting any enemies.

[Insertcoins]

I feel like that tank was wrong but I'm not going to lie, I'd done things differently. Like I had a group who wanted normal pulls as they were all new to the dungeon inquestion. I have been trained to mass pull due to how every healer I met in the dungeons I tank it were like " I know you just said you're new, but go on. I got ya." And I guess I'm odd but I figure why not and mass pull. I only wiped like 2 times doing that. I'm too nice as a tank I know it. I ask and if I do get a party that wants small pulls I go with it. ( mainly cause I normally don't tank but I leveled one to cap this time and I want people to have a good experience when I'm tanking. ) So if the group wants mass pulls I do that or if like last night they want small ones I do that too. Tho as for a reply to that one healer who got kicked I don't feel like they were wrong. But they did get outvoted and that's kindof the danger with expecting others you don't know to play to your standards. It just doesn't work all the time. I got lucky or in my case I just changed my pace, was the dungeon slow.. yeah and I'll be honest I kindof wanted to speed it up... but at the same time it would've caused the healer stress as she was clearly new. So I relaxed and went at their pace.

I will say tho I can see why people mass pull. My tank isn't maxed geared at ALL. Hell go look at my lodestone. I think she's like 380ish something. Not even breaking 390. And yet that dungeon I slow tanked for the group in hit so soft. It opened my eyes to why every healer I've met did the cheer emote when I shruged and pulled everything after letting them know I'm a noob tank. But again I guess I'm just too nice as I've never had a fight over pulling. I just adjust to whatever the group wants.