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  1. #12271
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    I queued into the weirdest, frustrating run on Bismarck Hard to date. I'm a DPS, so I'm already wary when my instance loads and it's in progress with roughly 35 minutes left to go. I go with it, and everything seems to be going alright. We break the protective shell on Bismarck's back, and then I see why I queued into an instance already in progress.

    During the adds part, I pop diversion, and me and a fellow SAM go to work. Sort of. I was the only one of us using my AOE rotations - they were committed to single target damage. Not a big deal here. But we've all been through Bismarck synced. You know it can take some time to kill the adds. So when a tank dies to a serpent, I do my thing. And gain aggro really fast. Why's this, you may ask? Well, neither one of the healers rezzed the tank.



    And then the other tank goes down.

    Oh joy, I say to myself. They wouldn't dare let two tan-yup, they are not rezzing the tanks at all. Mana wasn't an issue, either. They both had a huge chunk of mana. So I end up tanking - foolishly, I think that I can handle it. Pop Bloodbath, healers are surely watching my health pool.

    And then my HP drops like a rock.

    Throughout the whole instance, neither healer rezzed. DPS were dropping like flies...but nope, they wanted nothing to do with...oh, I dunno, clearing the instance. One of the tanks quit. Second run, a replacement tank pops in, and then quits as soon as the fight starts. We one-tank for a short little bit, and the rest of the run wasn't too bad. Heals weren't going out as fast, so I suspect that at least one of them was trying to troll. I was half-expecting a healer to jump off the cliff and 'rescue' somebody. Such an irritating run.
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  2. #12272
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    mooferz's Avatar
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    Kagetsune Shido
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    Jenova
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 70
    I don't know why Lakshmi in trial roulette is always such a hot mess. Every single time, someone gets the stack marker, no one stacks, then the person with the stack proceeds to skip towards me, a healer, who is clearly standing alone. This time though, the person with the stack was the other healer. I Divine Benisoned myself out of panic but that wasn't enough unfortunately...

    It's fine though. I don't frustrate too easily, but I don't get how people can forget the stack mechanic. Even if you jump potioned to Stormblood, you had some previous dungeons and one other trial to learn it, and it's one of the biggest, most obvious markers in the game.
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  3. #12273
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    bounddreamer's Avatar
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    Talya Stormbreaker
    World
    Lamia
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Ganglyzilla View Post
    Why...

    They're a pure healer, gotta do something or they'll get accused of just standing around doing nothing. :^)
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  4. #12274
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    Moro Murasaki
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    Zalera
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 80
    I decided to dust off SCH because Creation is capped for the week and with the changes coming in 4.1 it seems like I might want to pick it up again.

    I see healer in need for leveling so think I might as well take advantage of it.

    It's the vault in progress at 51 minutes. I honestly don't know why I clicked it, the group had to be awful right? As I load in I ask them how it's going and let them know it's my first time on SCH in a while so be gentle. They're already waiting at the last boss, no real surprise there.

    One DPS respinds with something along the lines of "if you have your fairy out you'll be ahead of our last SCH"... Oh, wow, so it's like that.

    We breeze through it all with virtually no issue. It seemed a tiny bit slow to me but I was used to doing it on WHM so it could have just been my lack of personal DPS. Damage is going out quickly but I'm keeping up and everyone is more or less on top of the chains mechanic.

    After we clear (with no deaths! Yay!) they tell me about their horror stories of the no fairy SCH and also apparently a WHM who burned swiftcast on a regular Cure.

    Guys, there are some bad healers out there. I think it's easy for a healer main to forget about because you don't see them as often but they exist.

    Scary.

    I wish I could have comm'd all of you!
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  5. #12275
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    Ghishlain's Avatar
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    Ghishlain Pyrial
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    Mateus
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    White Mage Lv 80
    I got synced into Toto-Rak on MCH the other day via Leveling DR and it almost makes me want to never use leveling DR ever again. lol.

    Outside of Cross Roles - MCH only has 8 abilities in this instance. Only four of them do damage.
    1. Split Shot - 160 Potency which RNG procs into Slug Shot
    2. Slug Shot - 200 potency when RNG combo'd from Split Shot
    3. Heartbreaker - 240 Potency only available when target is below 20% HP
    4. Spread Shot - 80 potency conal AoE

    So essentially I'm just slamming 1 until I proc (or have Reload / Quick Reload up) and slamming AoE when 3+ targets hit (which isn't often in Toto-Rak). Occasion execute-style ability when HP is appropriate.

    BLAAAAAAARG *Dies somewhere random*
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  6. #12276
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    Ametrine's Avatar
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    Diantha Sunstone
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    Goblin
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    Scholar Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by bounddreamer View Post
    They're a pure healer, gotta do something or they'll get accused of just standing around doing nothing. :^)
    I can't even tell if this is sarcasm or not since that's a very real possibility.

    Quote Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki View Post
    ... no fairy SCH ...
    I feel pain now.
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  7. #12277
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    Aosha's Avatar
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    Aosha Koz'ain
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    Odin
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by KaivaC View Post
    During the adds part, I pop diversion, and me and a fellow SAM go to work. Sort of. I was the only one of us using my AOE rotations - they were committed to single target damage. Not a big deal here. But we've all been through Bismarck synced. You know it can take some time to kill the adds. So when a tank dies to a serpent, I do my thing.
    Hold on... AoE on the serpent adds? Has it been too long since I've been in the story mode version, and am thus thinking of expert, but don't the serpents get damage stacks when they stand too close?

    Still, pretty crummy behaviour from the healers you got. :/
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    Last edited by Aosha; 10-03-2017 at 07:54 AM. Reason: part removed because of my own faulty math

  8. #12278
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    Hyomin Park
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    Cactuar
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    Sage Lv 92
    More of a PF story but...

    DO. NOT. JOIN. PAGE RUN. PFS. IF. YOU. HAVE. NOT. ACTUALLY. CLEARED. THE CONTENT.
    That is all.
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    Sage | Astrologian | Dancer

    마지막 날 널 찾아가면
    마지막 밤 기억하길

    Hyomin Park#0055

  9. #12279
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aosha View Post
    Hold on... AoE on the serpent adds? Has it been too long since I've been in the story mode version, and am thus thinking of expert, but don't the serpents get damage stacks when they stand too close?

    Still, pretty crummy behaviour from the healers you got. :/
    No, the other adds - the Vanu Vanus that pop in before and after the serpents. Serpents are single-damage, of course, but yes, they also get a buff if they are close. Even if they were, I wouldn't AOE the serpents because that just doesn't make sense to me with two enemies.
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  10. #12280
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    Aosha Koz'ain
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    Odin
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by KaivaC View Post
    No, the other adds - the Vanu Vanus that pop in before and after the serpents. Serpents are single-damage, of course, but yes, they also get a buff if they are close. Even if they were, I wouldn't AOE the serpents because that just doesn't make sense to me with two enemies.
    Ah, my bad. From the ordering of things explained ("we break the shell... no AoE on the adds... tank dies to a serpent"), I thought you were referring to AoEing the serpents (as there are no other adds between the shell and the serpents). Now it all makes more sense.

    Edit: Side note, I just tried doing a bit of math for comparing SAM single target to 2-target. First round I forgot to count Oka & Mangetsu combo potencies, so I thought "ok single-target wins hands down". Then I realized my mistake, and did it again. This time I forgot Shifu, Jinpu & Yukikaze bonuses, so AoE came out on top. Then I started factoring those in, and now I think single-target is better in the long run again. But now I no longer trust myself to do these calculations properly. >.< Good thing I study history and not... nuclear technology or something.
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    Last edited by Aosha; 10-03-2017 at 08:20 AM.

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