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    Dzian's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada View Post
    One of the DPS recruited the tank ( so they knew each other in some way, remember how I said i entered there without a tank as well?), also auto siding with the tank because good tank = hold hate, no one cares about the healer point of view along with not caring about the belittling I got over my healing. I can't use embrace when I had to dissipation because of the lack of CDs and taking too much damage. (during the downtime moments anyway, the person was not stance dancing, just full time Deliverance. A good tank that is attempting that should know when to put Defiance back on, not give middle finger to your healer when things are going bad, you keep it on because healers can heal anything) If you want to point the fingers at me well next 2 experts I got went fine, it is not me. (I was doing expert for Monday and Tuesday dailies under this week's reset) He wants to claim there was never embrace used because he took too much damage????
    In my opinion using Dissipation was your biggest mistake.
    It's literally never worth using. The 20% boost to your heals is terrible. Firstly it doesn't impact Lustrate or Indomnibiity. And secondly getting a 20% buff on Psykick isn't worth losing the potency of Embrace for.

    If your Psykicks hit for ~5k on average then under Dissipation they'd hit for ~6k. Which is pretty lame compared to a 5k Psykick and 3k Embrace from your fairy..

    Theres also the almost 2,000 MP cost of getting your fairy back once Dissipation wears off

    You'd probably have been better off using Emergency Tactics with Adlo. For the extra heal boosts.

    From a healing perspective Dissipation is pretty much never worth it.
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    Last edited by Dzian; 05-11-2017 at 08:42 AM.

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    Mhaeric Llystrom
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dzian View Post
    In my opinion using Dissipation was your biggest mistake.
    It's literally never worth using. The 20% boost to your heals is terrible. Firstly it doesn't impact Lustrate or Indomnibiity. And secondly getting a 20% buff on Psykick isn't worth losing the potency of Embrace for.

    If your Psykicks hit for ~5k on average then under Dissipation they'd hit for ~6k. Which is pretty lame compared to a 5k Psykick and 3k Embrace from your fairy..

    Theres also the almost 2,000 MP cost of getting your fairy back once Dissipation wears off

    You'd probably have been better off using Emergency Tactics with Adlo. For the extra heal boosts.

    From a healing perspective Dissipation is pretty much never worth it.
    The main benefit of Dissipation is the aetherflow stacks, not the healing bonus. You do get three additional Lustrates from it, so it is useful as a clutch tool if you're out of aetherflow stacks and your tank is about to die and you just need to get through the next 10 seconds. The healing bonus is there so that you don't entirely cripple your healing potential due to the loss of the fairy.

    That said, the number of times I've actually needed to use it can be counted on one finger, so I agree it could definitely use some improvement to give it a more more consistent functionality.

    P.S. Im pretty sure it does affect Lustrate and Indomitibilty, since they're potency based heals. Lustrate used to be percent based, but they nerfed that to be potency healing because SCH could use it during Cleric Stance at full potency.
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    Last edited by Mhaeric; 05-11-2017 at 02:41 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mhaeric View Post
    P.S. Im pretty sure it does affect Lustrate and Indomitibilty, since they're potency based heals. Lustrate used to be percent based, but they nerfed that to be potency healing because SCH could use it during Cleric Stance at full potency.
    Dissipation's 20% buff only applies to spell-based healing, so it only affects Physick, Adloquium, and Succor.
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    Player Mhaeric's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by ErryK View Post
    Dissipation's 20% buff only applies to spell-based healing, so it only affects Physick, Adloquium, and Succor.
    Well that's stupid. And the tool-tip is inaccurate then since it says it's a 20% boost to "potency-based healing" which both Lustrate and Indomitibility are. Not that I don't believe you, but going to test to be sure, since it really SHOULD be that way if it isn't.

    Edit: Blech... looks like they changed to tooltip from "potency-based healing" to "healing magic potency" at some point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mhaeric View Post
    The main benefit of Dissipation is the aetherflow stacks, not the healing bonus. You do get three additional Lustrates from it, so it is useful as a clutch tool if you're out of aetherflow stacks and your tank is about to die and you just need to get through the next 10 seconds. The healing bonus is there so that you don't entirely cripple your healing potential due to the loss of the fairy.

    That said, the number of times I've actually needed to use it can be counted on one finger, so I agree it could definitely use some improvement to give it a more more consistent functionality.

    P.S. Im pretty sure it does affect Lustrate and Indomitibilty, since they're potency based heals. Lustrate used to be percent based, but they nerfed that to be potency healing because SCH could use it during Cleric Stance at full potency.
    Based on what I tested, it doesn't. The description says "increase healing magic potency", so I'm guessing it only applies to spell-like abilities. Both Lustrate and Indomitability are just abilities, not spells.

    However I have used Dissipation a lot on pulls before boss fights. Why? So I have to wait 30 seconds instead of 1 minute to get 6 stacks of Aetherflow for my DPS opener (Initial 3+renovation). I can re-summon the fairy a couple of seconds before the boss fight. On rare ocassions when I need to spam heals on the tank, I have used it again... SCH struggle with DRK's Living Dead. sometimes the 3 Lustrates should suffice, but sometimes it doesn't -.- So rip fairy.

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    So, speaking of which, this morning I was on my alt and decided to heal level 60 roulette and leveling roulette. I don't know if it's a DRK thing or not, but they seem to either be allergic to darkside or they really don't know how to play the class at all, just using it for the edginess. I mainly play SCH for roulettes because I'm tired of healers that won't DPS at all, so this way I can force the runs to go faster but this morning...

    For level 60, I get Lost City of Amdapor (Hard) and they tank starts doing small pulls. So, I notice we have a BRD and a SMN, and I'm very confident about my healing skills. With that being said, I politely ask the tank if he can pull more so he starts doing so. What was the problem? Well, this tank in particular had a huuuuge issue with his MP management, so he didn't have enough MP to unleash the trash mobs. The mobs were scattered around, attacking both the DPS and me alike, I even got the "slow" debuff crippling my healing speed. I was unable to remove it because people were taking lots of damage, I kinda panicked there. The tank also didn't use any cd at all (Your daily DF tank) so we wipe.

    The tank calls me out "Were you saying? Why am I dead?". I'm very patient, rarely call people out in dungeons, I mostly judge them in silence until I complete the duty then commendate accordingly or not commendate at all. However, this guy got on my nerves and had to tell him that he had a very bad MP management, he should use cooldowns because the tanks clearly have them for a reason and he should learn how to stack trash mobs. He only replies "K", and the run continues. Small pulls from there. At the end of the run, I got 2 player comms. -.-

    For Leveling Roulette, I get... omg, I've been getting this a lot lately... I got Dusk Vigil. I'm on SCH, I summon Selene and I get a DRK again. The DPS were a MNK and a MCH. This DRK... Yes, she was allergic to darkside, crippling their mitigation capabilities. I ask why she wasn't using it, but I get no response at all. So, this tank in particular starts doing big pulls. The ONLY cd she used was Shadowskin and Darkdance, NOTHING ELSE, and they also were poorly used. Darkdance on the ice sprites, for example. Good luck mitigating their magic damage with your parry. The first wipe was in the room after the mammoth boss. The tank decided to mass pull everything until she reached the locked door. Things were NOT dying! (Actually, they were but extremely slowly), I run out of MP, because she wasn't using cds and not getting positioned correctly (Showing the mobs her back, disabling their passive parry completely). She was taking soooo much damage. Welp, we died.

    Again, I call the tank out about doing big pulls, they are not worth it, we don't have the DPS for it as it was obviously proven. The tank ignores me and she keeps pulling more and more. So I summon Eos to get some healing carry and DPS whenever I was able to because man, this tank was taking THE damage. Granted, everything hits really hard in this dungeon, but the tank made it way harder with their poor performance. No commendations at the end.
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    Last edited by Lilseph; 05-13-2017 at 10:04 AM.

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    Aosha Koz'ain
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    Odin
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Lilseph View Post
    So, speaking of which, this morning I was on my alt and decided to heal level 60 roulette and leveling roulette. I don't know if it's a DRK thing or not, but they seem to either be allergic to darkside or they really don't know how to play the class at all, just using it for the edginess. I mainly play SCH for roulettes because I'm tired of healers that won't DPS at all, so this way I can force the runs to go faster but this morning...
    I know what you mean when it comes to the no-Darkside Dark Knights. It was especially bad back in the day when Foreverreap was relevant. Every second DRK I met, in EX or otherwise, either could not keep up DS due to MP management, or didn't even try. Try to offer help or ask why they don't use it: instant hostility. It's gotten a lot better since, but there's still the odd edgelord here and there...
    I mean come on, I'm a sucky DRK, it's easily one of my worst jobs, but even I can keep up DS during pulls, maybe needing a short break between two if I messed up real bad. If one chooses to main a job they should at least try to learn the basics.
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