Summoners Overpowered in PvP

[NorthernLadMSP]

They're actually not overpowered and here's why:

1. They have no defense at ALL
2. They have virtually no way to escape enemies when being pursued
3. If their Aetherflow stacks aren't available, they're pretty weak as their main damage component comes from their Aetherflow

So, if they didn't have these three major weaknesses, then I would agree their OP. But, that's not the case.

[Sunako]

I can stop summoners easily with sleep, but melees are biggest problem since they have fetter ward that make them immune against any cc, weapon throw that remove sprint and make heavy, + charge. Thanks god 90% of melees have no idea what they are doing.

[Miyu20]

As a healer, I worry about anyone with a stun because I only have 1 Purify per 90 seconds. Also don't play PvP after a long day. When I'm tired, I actually feel bad for my team for sucking so much. But yeah, have a good DPS burst rotation, and if you kill the healer(s) first, summoners won't be there much longer.

I recommend if you have won more than 10 matches to go to the achievement person in Gridania and get your PvP helmet. Wear it. Gives you more overall stats and if you still having trouble and are not doing badly, consider it just being the other team is way more skilled than you are and bit the entire class is unbalanced. That is much more likely you know.

[Nalien]

You know, I rarely ever see Monks in Frontlines anymore... Shame, I've certainly enjoyed watching Summoners squirm when Glory Slash/Retrogradation takes their stacks/trance away, and Monk can basically just spam One Ilm Punch to achieve that, rather than waiting on a lengthy cooldown and RNG to do it...

[Guesswhat]

Another one of these threads...

Yes, they are op, but not on paper. They are op in the sense of inexperienced/dgaf/yolo players getting caught in their 60 sec CD burst rotation waayyy too much. It's a bit too easy for summoners to exploit these players. Skilled summoners eat these players up as nothing. In this sense, compared to other jobs, you may say they are op. In wolves den I guess they won't be. Time will tell.

In huge skirmishes, whenever you are hit with tri-disaster (dots from hell), just move in the opposite direction and you'll break their rotation.

Having some vitality accessories also helps.

Imo strength based warriors are the most op in frontline atm.

[Mclyde]

The problem is not their survability. It's the fact that they can just choose one guy, and decide to kill him in 5 sec at 25m while moving.
It's "very sad" for them to have to use there stacks for that, but... one guy just died without even facing his attacker.
Is that a japanese conception of pvp ? As long as your team win it's not important to be killed some times without possibilities to counter ?

Same thing for melee limit break. I'm 15m away when the animation of the lb is done i'm still OS. That's true skill man.

Warriors are quit independant in pvp but you can kite them or at least have some times to fight back. Even kill them if Push back is not up at that moment.
They are melee and supposed to be first attackers, it's normal they are tough.

Seriously... i'm used to deal with unbalance in mmo pvp. There are always... but concerning summoners it's exagerated.

I wonder what they say about it in Japanese section. They already remove CS from the healers cause they found it OP. Now that pvp is "popular" again with frontline, they may consider nerf them a little.

[CeveArthu]

They already remove CS from the healers cause they found it OP. Now that pvp is "popular" again with frontline, they may consider nerf them a little.

Do not assume that summoner being powerful vs bad players in a casual game mode is remotely the same as cleric stance, CS turned a healing, ccing tanking machine into a healing, ccing, tanking, high damage machine

FL is not the place to determine if summoners need to be nerfed, WD is where that will happen and not a moment earlier

I wonder what they say about it in Japanese section

A mix of people complaining that its overpowered and should be removed, with alot of others arguing that it either doesnt need to be changed, or everyone should wat for wolves den (alot of them saying that they just have tanks nuke the summoner)

[Elim]

I don't think there are any truly OP jobs in frontlines tbh. Some are just easier to play and master. Like SMN...

I've PvPed on SMN before and when their burst rotation is on CD, they're useless. After they burst they sit around trying to kill steal with ruin 2... mostly. It's about 1 minute of being useless every time they finish their burst. I'd say that was a weakness if I ever saw one. Also their burst is wasted when their target is being healed/cleansed by a competent healer, even when they have battle fever. So basically sometimes when they unload their burst they're rewarded with no kill and that 1 minute downtime.

On a similar subject I've seen newbie DPS QQ about healers being unkillable, and while good healers are extremely hard to kill they're not unkillable. Not when everything they have is on CD, and they're focused by enough DPS or LBed at the right time. Sadly a lot of DPS don't know how to focus or refuse to.

[Brianmj]

The Summoner job has already been nerfed. It no longer has access to heavy from Miasma, the healing reduction debuff was lowered from 50% to 20%. Summoners cannot use Resurrection in PVP, and the recent reduction to the Purify cooldowns was directly targeting Summoners. Summoner's burst and mobility is the job's unique aspect, yet the community is trying to turn it into a problem.

[NoelNoel]

Whine whine whine, oh no Big Bad Summoner is coming out of the woods to eat the noobs who can't use their pvp skills properly (or play pvp properly even), NERF THEM so they become absolutely useless! Really people, just learn to stay near your healers.
This non-stop whining about SMN being OP coming from players who most likely just jumped into Seal Rock with 0 pvp experience is really getting old. You wanna nerf SMN? Sure thing, but you nerf the melee LB too then, and fell cleave, along with lowerig stuns durations by half. Also please let's disable noct stance in pvp because I play SMN and /sob, I can't kill AST ;_; Life's unfair.
If people could actually read the other threads about this, who ALL have feedback from people who play SMN and who ALL expose the weaknesses of SMN, the world would be a better place.