Summoners Overpowered in PvP

[Elim]

Okay. Lets pretend they take away SMNs mobility and burst DPS. They just do turreted/sustained DPS(and maybe a minor bit of burst) now. They can still get kills, but what will make them unique/competitive? Why choose them over other DPS?

Their only means of getting away from an attacker is a casted bind that can be interrupted by an auto attack unless you waste an extra cooldown on it. They have no stuns. They have no heavy. They have no gap closer like melee do. They have no defensive cooldowns. They cannot res in PvP and haven't been able to for awhile. Their healing debuff was nerfed awhile back and is pretty much nothing but a minor inconvenience most healers wont even notice. They're ranged, but so are BLMs, BRDs and MCH. They have a large AOE LB that, if coordinated, can destroy a team, but so do BLMs.

tl;dr
SMNs have strengths and weaknesses. They've also been nerfed many times. Their beastly burst and mobility is what makes them unique. Without either they wouldn't be competitive in PvP.

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SMN DPS really isn't sustained in PvP...dots get cleansed pretty quickly. Their dots between burst probably wont kill anyone, but they're great for fluffing numbers. BLMs have the same supplement for their DPS. Also BLMs heavy/sleep/bind can be used for many other strategic reasons. They're more useful than tri-bind because they apply to multiple targets. Another reason to use BLMs over SMNs, if SMN is nerfed in the way I posted. I could address more points, but whether I agree with your points or not, you basically want SMNs nerfed because you think their burst is the best out of the ranged? Am I understanding this correctly?

[BubblyBoar]

SMN is definitely ridiculously strong in PVP. Just like WAR and NIn if it can 1v1. Overpowered, probably, but it's not a HUGE gap. It's just enough of a gap that an unskilled SMN can kill most other DPS unless they are are highly skilled in PvP. And if the SMN is skilled...well..gg. They'll just bait purify and kill you anyway. People act like everyone insta purifies every tri-D the moment it touches them. Most people aren't that fast. All they need is to get off 1 fester or bane and boom, their burst is unimpeded.

[TiaHariberux3]

SMN is definitely ridiculously strong in PVP. Just like WAR and NIn if it can 1v1. Overpowered, probably, but it's not a HUGE gap. It's just enough of a gap that an unskilled SMN can kill most other DPS unless they are are highly skilled in PvP. And if the SMN is skilled...well..gg. They'll just bait purify and kill you anyway. People act like everyone insta purifies every tri-D the moment it touches them. Most people aren't that fast. All they need is to get off 1 fester or bane and boom, their burst is unimpeded.

strong? yes but only if they have their main burst ready after this they are pretty much useless also they dont have defensive cds etc. + if the target gets healed your burst wont kill the enemy but its not op

[kisada]

complain or adjust.

i recommend the latter. you'll be better off for it.

[Stupiduglytaru]

Lol this crap again, blm is way more powerful than smn full stop.

Harder to play but most of these blm have never heard of /facetarget

In fact I can only think of a few excellent blms across the whole of chaos data center

[l---------------l]

Lol this crap again, blm is way more powerful than smn full stop.

Harder to play but most of these blm have never heard of /facetarget

In fact I can only think of a few excellent blms across the whole of chaos data center

Please quickly remove the "put secret BLM art here that should not be named" from your message or edit it!... Lest not let the peasants know the arts of supreme aiming.

[Sanguisio]

lol people in this thread whining^^ Get gud.

SMNs are great but unlike other classes that can rotate dmg fairly consistently, the SMN niche is an all or or nothing burst that rely on stacks to genuinely do that high dmg people fear. OIP, Wither and others will defeat this, purify as soon as you get tri disastered as if fester has no effect the smn doesnt get the a stack of attunement and you have delayed deathflare and potential saved yourself.

IMO BLMs when played right are bloody dirty fighters and if you leave them unchecked they will wreck more than a SMN on the same skill will.

[BubblyBoar]

If the only answer is to dispel and run away, doesn't that seem wrong? If your purify is on CD, or there is more than 1 SMN on you, then you have no choice but to die. That is okay with you all? Personally, I don't have a problem with them. I play DRK in PvP and I've tanked 3 SMN burst in a row safely. But that's only because I'm playing a tank class. Those melee DPS out there get super murdered with a chance to fight back only once every 90 secs. And no, melee LB does not balance it. If anyone is getting insta killed by it, they aren't PvPing correctly. If you aren't at near full when it was used, then you were out of position in the first place and your healer overlooked you. As I said, they aren't overpowered, but they are incredibly strong. Much more than many other classes.

[Maero]

Tbh smn and damn Warriors are the only ones i find or have issues with as Ninja, well ok black mages as well. The whole sleep thing you know...
1 smn if caught off guard can wreck you but 2 of them, you are for sure toast.

[AlereRaeder]

Taken from BLM 3.0 guide:

Lv 60 Fire IV This is your new power house nuke spell that is 280 Potency that can only be used under Enochian and Astral Fire. So it is 392, 448, 504 Potency for Astral Fire I, II, III. It does not refresh Astral Fire stacks however.

Yeah, 504 potency casts. Their fire rotation base potencies are 504-504-324(Fire I)-504-504. They can force a Fire III proc for an added 432 potency somewhere and can sleep(oGCD/GCD), slow+heavy, heavy, (player)aoe bind. This all under Astral Fire III and Enochian(which blm can up-keep).

BLM is undoubtedly good.

But silence give you time to use own skills.

Silences only affect Spells, not Abilities.