Bring back interesting trash packs in savage!

[Khyan]

Nope. A2s is already the trash mob packs floor. No thanks.

[Ryel]

I'd prefer the "raids" in this game actually be designed as raids tbh, i'm not seeing much difference in design between doing Alex and a super buffed Trial fight outside of A2s currently.

[Khyan]

I'd prefer the "raids" in this game actually be designed as raids tbh, i'm not seeing much difference in design between doing Alex and a super buffed Trial fight outside of A2s currently.

In fact, savage raid is A1s+A2s+A3s+A4s. The whole floors are the raid with checkpoints between each floor during 1 week.

That's why a trial fight has nothing to do with alex.

[Welsper59]

I'd prefer the "raids" in this game actually be designed as raids tbh, i'm not seeing much difference in design between doing Alex and a super buffed Trial fight outside of A2s currently.

That's because it saves a lot of time (thus money) doing it the way it is now. It works in their favor that a lot of people also don't want pointless trash pulls. The only way that trash pulls stop actually being pointless is to make them a big part of the raid itself. This is something that Dynamis from FFXI was infamous for. The trash was practically the main target of going there. Each of them had a small chance to drop endgame loot, endgame currency, and, in the process of killing off trash packs, you'd kill mobs that provided some sort of benefit to the raid, which included time extensions.

A lot of us are rather hopeful that the airship content will be something along the lines of this, due to the fact that the loot drops varied ilvl loot depending on their rarity/difficulty to obtain a chest. It'll be extremely lame if it's basically expected to average 1-3 random tiered equip in total obtained per raid, assuming a weekly lockout as well. Hoo boy will that situation be a huge disappointment.

[Khyan]

As an example, T2 trash mobs was a core mechanic, and it was interesting.

But A2/A3 normal trash mobs are useless and boring.

[Ryel]

That's because it saves a lot of time (thus money) doing it the way it is now. It works in their favor that a lot of people also don't want pointless trash pulls. The only way that trash pulls stop actually being pointless is to make them a big part of the raid itself. This is something that Dynamis from FFXI was infamous for. The trash was practically the main target of going there. Each of them had a small chance to drop endgame loot, endgame currency, and, in the process of killing off trash packs, you'd kill mobs that provided some sort of benefit to the raid, which included time extensions.

A lot of us are rather hopeful that the airship content will be something along the lines of this, due to the fact that the loot drops varied ilvl loot depending on their rarity/difficulty to obtain a chest. It'll be extremely lame if it's basically expected to average 1-3 random tiered equip in total obtained per raid, assuming a weekly lockout as well. Hoo boy will that situation be a huge disappointment.

Oh i know and I'm in that same boat, that doesn't change the fact that what they call "raids" in this game barely pass as such.

It's a shame that a few of the turns in the BCoB series (Turns 1, 2, 7, 8, 10, 11) were closer to what most would consider classic raid design, if anything Alexander feels like a step backwards. Personally I'd be all for a Dynamis / Limbus / Nyzul style trash fix for current and future raid content, i mean it's not like they cant make them drop TT cards, housing mats, or crafting / upgrade materials based on their difficulty.

But I'm aware that's just a pipe dream at this point.

As an example, T2 trash mobs was a core mechanic, and it was interesting.

But A2/A3 normal trash mobs are useless and boring.

Only boring because they're useless, make them worth something and people will start to care.

In fact, savage raid is A1s+A2s+A3s+A4s. The whole floors are the raid with checkpoints between each floor during 1 week.

That's why a trial fight has nothing to do with alex.

From a design perspective making them broken up trials still doesn't make them different from trials, if a primal gauntlet were released with similar mechanics / difficulty as the current highest Savage fights there would literally be no difference in content labels.

[Khyan]

Only boring because they're useless, make them worth something and people will start to care.

It would be even more boring in A2S since the fight is already a trash mob pack fight with mechanics. I think actual floors aren't designed with trash mobs in mind. Maybe in A5+.

[Craiger]

Maybe it's just cause I'm a MNK, but I hate having to clear waves of trash mobs... And just making the ones we have matter more, wouldn't change my mind on that.

I rather have something like Faust, but at the same time, he isn't really anything fun...

Like have been mentioned, T2 had the only meaningful and kinda fun trash mobs. I mean, they altered the final fight, and they weren't just some random trash that wasn't related to the boss at all. IMO the best overall raid design yet. It wasn't the best looking one, and definitely not the best boss fight, but I want them to do something similar in new Alex Savages. (ofc don't mean the enrage strat)

[LunnaRavenheart]

I dont see trash interesting in whole FFXIV game, so I am not supporting this idea.
I enjoyed trash in vanilla wow, where it gives live to dungeon, there were patrols, multiple pack together agroing, different handling of different mobs etc. Yes in other hand it was annoying to kill trash for one hour until you reach boss but, it gives life to raids/dungeons/structures.

[Malzian]

I dont see trash interesting in whole FFXIV game, so I am not supporting this idea.
I enjoyed trash in vanilla wow, where it gives live to dungeon, there were patrols, multiple pack together agroing, different handling of different mobs etc. Yes in other hand it was annoying to kill trash for one hour until you reach boss but, it gives life to raids/dungeons/structures.

I agree work this. The trash in dungeons and raids in this game is boring and pointless other than slowing you down a few minutes here and there. I hardly ever feel threatened by any trash pulls (save occasionally bees... hate Final Sting, it's a cheap mechanic).