But...I...I don't wanna DPS, I'm a healer...

[Fevelle]

-> Heal tanks only
-> AoE healing anyway
-> Immediately revive anyone that dies
-> Esuna away the Determination Down debuff

Do not spam AoE heals (well, do not spam AoE heals AT ALL) if your MP is low and don't even think about losing that precious MP on ressurecting someone, especially if your co-healer has a good amount of MP or you have Summoners on your party. When on this type of sitution, I try to go back to the basics and take the most out of my Cures.

The 400 potency is good enough for a trial like Titan HM and you can use your cooldowns like Divine Seal with Regen and Presence of Mind to boost efficiency, while paying attention to the Cure II procs (no MP cost, yay). If sh** is really hitting the fan, I would waste some MP on a Divine Seal + Medica II combo to soften the need of healing on the party for the next 30 seconds (1/4 of the time for Shroud CD to fall off).

Also, always carry some mana potion with you, it helps a lot.

[Venjamin]

Well, that makes me feel a little better. Vying for main healer will be my calling. Out of curiosity, how necessary does the world as a whole see Stoneskin? I'm mostly pouting because I want to get to 60 but I don't have Stoneskin yet.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

Well, that makes me feel a little better. Vying for main healer will be my calling. Out of curiosity, how necessary does the world as a whole see Stoneskin? I'm mostly pouting because I want to get to 60 but I don't have Stoneskin yet.

Best if you consult this topic for that:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Stoneskin-use.

[416to305]

That's just the normal healing etiquette for me. You watch the fight enviroment and go into offense or support depending on what's happening. Both healers have to work together, I don't know how a title like "off-healer" can exist since the responsabilities of both healers are the same.

I agree. There's no such thing as an "off-healer", just using it in this situation to describe the healer that is doing less healing and more DPSing at that moment.

[416to305]

Um... Hi guys. I'm actually somewhat new to the game, only started playing about 2 months ago. I had a much more eloquent post prepared but apparently the forum logged me out while I was typing it up and there was no option to restore it.

Reading through this thread is making me re-evaluate how I play. I main White Mage, and I duty finder'd almost everything. I just feel as if I do whatever I can. It's just that, I never really noticed many windows where I could safely DPS without fear of the tank suddenly dying in most of my parties. I do switch to DPS sometimes, but I don't really do it like 70% of the time (I only feel it's safe to DPS in EX roulette dungeons in the majority of situations after mobs numbers are reduced to 4 or below during a very big pull), because I kinda panic when I see the tank losing like 40% of their HP over a very sustained period of time.

(This forum has a 1000 character limit too? Forgive me, because I'm about to make like 4 more posts at this rate.)

Saito there is a 1000 limit but to get around it you just post and then edit it. So write your post here or in notepad, and just write it as the first paragraph or sentence, then hit edit and paste in the rest and save. Then you can write as long as you want.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

I agree. There's no such thing as an "off-healer", just using it in this situation to describe the healer that is doing less healing and more DPSing at that moment.

Actually, there is. It's rather similar to a tank's situation where one tank takes the boss and one tank takes the adds or does heavily damaging mechanics like back in Second Coil Turn 4 (aka: Turn 8).

Personally, I wouldn't dub it "off-healer", but rather as "supportive healer". Not supportive as a healer with buffs, but to aid the "main healer" where and when it is necessary. Healers have only one primary goal: Keep the party in good shape. Staying alive is every party member's individual job, rather than the healer's job. But the number of situations where both healers are required their full attention at their healing duties are rare and short and often "fixed" somewhere at the end of the road by gear alone. These situations are often also only found in the harder content for the patch that is live. When the primary goal is met, the number one cause for wipes would be failing DPS checks under normal conditions. Be it gear checks, mechanic executions or even individual ability to perform their own role. Here is where the "supportive healer" can help contribute in. As the combined healing output requirement rarely requires both healer's maximum output, one healer or even both healers can spend more time and resources into other activities. Most of these would be helping meet the DPS checks with the current patch. If we were to look back at previous patches, healers were one of the prime picks to handle mechanics that can be passed off to the healers to handle.

[RadiantRay]

To be honest I feel that this game over compensates tanks and healers for a lot of the raids in this game. I think it would help new healers learn how to heal in a raid setting if there wasn't always a 2nd healer covering up their mistakes (because if this game really needed 2 healers you would wipe due to lack of hps if one healer slacked off). I think that's why you see a lot of the healer dps rants on the forums for the most part.

What would make healing more fun is if they actually reduced the number of healers and tanks per raid to only 1 and only getting more when it's necessary to that particular fight. For example Titan Hard mode only needs 1 tank, but Titan extreme needs 2 and the DF should recruit accordingly. This game feels perfectly balanced for one healer because even when a healer is completely new to a dungeon/trial I always let them solo heal and most of the time they do just fine without even realizing they just solo healed while I go full time dps.

[416to305]

I think having 2 healers is necessary just for Raise. SMN helps but others would need it as well. It's stressful solo healing a 4 man dungeon in the sense that if you let yourself fie when a boss is at like 30%, usually the party will wipe and you have to start over. I'd die if I was a solo healer in alex and I missed an AoE and everyone wipes just because of me!

[technole]

To be honest I feel that this game over compensates tanks and healers for a lot of the raids in this game. I think it would help new healers learn how to heal in a raid setting if there wasn't always a 2nd healer covering up their mistakes (because if this game really needed 2 healers you would wipe due to lack of hps if one healer slacked off). I think that's why you see a lot of the healer dps rants on the forums for the most part.

The two healer situation is more noticable when the content is new and people were not as geared for the content. Like Bismarck and Ravana Extreme during the first few weeks of HW. You can totally feel the need for both healers, with the high damage output to two tanks in one situation, to having shields with high raid wide damage output being a life-saver in the other.

If you go back to ARR hard mode and most extremes, yes they can be solo healed even in level 50 sync with the amount of gear we ended ARR with. Although a return of some of Leviathan Extreme healer mechanics during the i90-i100 heyday, punishing healers for overhealing and not being strategic in their choices of heals, or healer "swap" mechanics like Infrit Extreme is likely as we get more mid-core "extreme" content outside of Alexander Savage.

The same with tanks. Titan Extreme nowadays you only need a single tank, gear at the end of ARR allowed a single MT to eat all the stacks preventing a need to tank swap. Provided DPS was on-target, they would also pick up the adds after the heart phase. Going back to minimum ilvl days with Titan and even Infrit Extreme heyday those vulnerability stacks hurt to a point where they'd die without a swap. Equilvent to that today is Alexander Floor 3 normal and savage, with the usual vulnerability getting too high = must tank swap.

[SaitoHikari]

Do not spam AoE heals (well, do not spam AoE heals AT ALL) if your MP is low and don't even think about losing that precious MP on ressurecting someone, especially if your co-healer has a good amount of MP or you have Summoners on your party. When on this type of sitution, I try to go back to the basics and take the most out of my Cures.

The 400 potency is good enough for a trial like Titan HM and you can use your cooldowns like Divine Seal with Regen and Presence of Mind to boost efficiency, while paying attention to the Cure II procs (no MP cost, yay). If sh** is really hitting the fan, I would waste some MP on a Divine Seal + Medica II combo to soften the need of healing on the party for the next 30 seconds (1/4 of the time for Shroud CD to fall off).

Also, always carry some mana potion with you, it helps a lot.

Ah, I see. Thanks for the advice everyone.

Shouldn't be too happy with using Medica after light AoE damage I suppose.

And... I guess the second scenario really was answered by myself already. Maybe there really wasn't much I could do in that situation.