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  1. #1
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    Kikisha Kisha
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    Shiva
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    Warrior Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by LuminaLumi View Post
    This is not a problem in Japanese servers, but from what I read from these comments is the following:
    "I can just do the minimal effort possible, I WANT to look at netflix/FB" or
    "It's just a GAME, I can do what I want, it's my money"

    So some people truly do this just because they want to be lazy. If this is not toxic behaviour I don't know what is.
    the fun thing is, these are actually arguments from the "i'm a dps class, stop telling me my class symbol is green" fraction to ridicule the other two factions. no, neither are they uses by the "heals should only heal" nor the "i dps b/c i want to fasten the run a bit" faction.

    what i find most amusing is, when i was farming my zodiac items as whm (was tired of tanking halatali run after run) i realized that dpsing as whm is actually the real lazy method. you redecue your class from a big mash of different skills to just 2-3 at all depending on boss or trash. on trash you just spam holy and throw bene/cure II; on bosses you just throw stone II until tank has around 10% and then some cure II til he's topped again and maybe a regen after that. repeat until dungeon done. yay. i didnt really paid attention to the dungeon. i was actually doing smth else entirely. that's funny, because i was able to read a manga. and it was easier doing this during a dungeon run as whm than it ever was as a tank (and you dont even have to look constantly at your screen if you're playing tank at all)

    10/10 would never heal any dungeon again. most boring thing ever done. i prefer running mindless circles around limsa aetheryte though
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    Last edited by Eii; 10-18-2015 at 09:50 PM. Reason: somehow still unable to spell. i gave up now x)
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    Sadako Yamamura
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    Marauder Lv 1
    Quote Originally Posted by Eii View Post
    you redecue your class from a big mash of different skills to just 2-3 at all depending on boss or trash
    You do realise that if you're just healing, you're reducing your job to a single button, two at most, right?

    Or in case of scholars in low level dungeons - Which I've actually witnessed before - /follow the tank and hit a button every 10 minutes not to get auto-kicked.
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    Esmond Rainer
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    Odin
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    Scholar Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Eii View Post
    you redecue your class from a big mash of different skills to just 2-3 at all depending on boss or trash. on trash you just spam holy and throw bene/cure II; on bosses you just throw stone II until tank has around 10% and then some cure II til he's topped again and maybe a regen after that.
    IMO it actually expanding the numbers of skills you use. Here is why:
    - DS to regen the tank better so i can dps longer
    - PoM so i can increase my dps
    - Swiftcast + holy/aero III
    - benediction/tetra (the lower the tank hp goes the longer i can stay in dps mode)
    - Shroud to recover mana (why still doing dps)
    - Assize
    And all of those spells/abilities I would never (need to) touch them if I'm healing only, really there is no need to use them, just spam cure I/II or medica II.
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    Last edited by Normalizer; 10-19-2015 at 03:22 AM.

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    Shiva
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    uhm, yeah if xou really want to find excuses for using certain skills, yes, you can push them all if you want.

    thing is, the better the group, and the higher the overall dps of that group, the less need for all that extra stuff. well, if its an over the top group, you wont find yourself casting a single heal once.
    there's a nice trick with holy though. just wait a second before casting the next one. you'll lose some dps. but as a trade you keep trash stunlocked. which on the other side means, no dmg on tank. which means: if dps are high, a smn in group with his handy shadowflare and the tank knows his stuff, yeah, you wont need to heal anything except maybe tankbusters or maybe some crits on your tank.
    cool hu?

    i'll repeat myself: this game isn't designed for this trinity setup. and i'm not sure if it ever will be.
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    Sacrilege Moonshadow
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    Hyperion
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eii View Post
    there's a nice trick with holy though. just wait a second before casting the next one. you'll lose some dps. but as a trade you keep trash stunlocked.
    This is why you fill the space between your first and second Holy with Aero III....

    Quote Originally Posted by Eii View Post
    hm, well, if you play around with those awesome(ly useless) healing tools you could at least pretend you*re doing smth once in a while.
    It's far preferable that your healer make your admittedly easy and repetitive dungeon run go faster by actually doing something. Standing around pretending to be useful by overhealing or by spamming unnecessary Stoneskins is doing no one any favors.
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    Miranda Madison
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    Twintania
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Normalizer View Post
    IMO it actually expanding the numbers of skills you use. Here is why:
    (the lower the tank hp goes the longer i can stay in dps mode)
    My mind is completely unable to adapt/accept this seemingly widespread mentality with other healers. If tank drops to or below 50%, to hell with my DPS. >_>
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twilite View Post
    My mind is completely unable to adapt/accept this seemingly widespread mentality with other healers. If tank drops to or below 50%, to hell with my DPS. >_>
    If you take in the context of the post, it makes sense.

    Tank HP % starts to become a concern as soon as their current HP value can possibly be exceeded by the immediate incoming damage value. As long as a healer remains aware of this and maintains their tank appropriately to keep them out of danger, there is no problem, especially not in this game, where outgoing heal values are so high that it takes only a moment to patch someone from well below 50% to 100% and with a shield and/or a still-ticking HoT on top of it.
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    Esmond Rainer
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    Odin
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    Scholar Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Twilite View Post
    My mind is completely unable to adapt/accept this seemingly widespread mentality with other healers. If tank drops to or below 50%, to hell with my DPS. >_>
    I put that comment near the Benediction and Tetra. If I have benediction, tank can go till 10%, i'm holying :P Tetra, may be 40-50% then, if i don't have both then i would start healing him at about 50%. It's all about CDs management and use your resource wisely
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