But...I...I don't wanna DPS, I'm a healer...

[Iris_BP]

Woah, discussion is heating up!
I just don't understand why people freaking out about healers dpsing. There is plenty of content where pretty much all you do is heal, even when you want to dps. Most of middle level dungeons are run without dpsing and really Noone expects dps from a healer on them, the ONLY content where healers have to dps are end game dungeons (two dungeons,omg) that people just want to run faster because of 1xx run. And because they are so ridiculously easy you would have to just stand around for most of the time. And you're expected to dps on ex primal (to a lesser extent actually) and AS. That's it... Everywhere else you can just be a healer without being "tryhards".

P.S. If SE will actually "fix" this "problem" the healer role will be completely ruined for me in this game. So I guess there are two camps of healers afterall

[DarkerOrange]

There is plenty of content where pretty much all you do is heal, even when you want to dps.

No, no there really isn't, especially if you are a SCH. Eos can solo heal almost anything sub 50 (with 40+ requiring a few heals from you every now and then). Hell, even savage has alot of time for both healers to be in cleric stance.

Ofcourse you are welcome to overheal or sit on your arse doing nothing, but please don't try and pull this 'special snowflake' rubbish. You are not playing as well as you could be, end of.

[Izularia]

I used to play a healer in every other MMORPG I have played before. So, it was natural for me to play a healer in FFXIV as well and started as a Conjurer back then. Well, people started yelling at me for not doing any DPS... when the only thing I wanted to do was to heal. I did not understand why people were angy and so I decided to give up my healing role for a full DPS class.

A few weeks ago, I had the feeling I could give healing another shot and went with Astrologian. I felt like it was way easier to find a good combination of healing and DPSing than it was when I started in January.
Why is it like that? I know the game now, I know when it's ok to stop healing and when there's no risk of letting the tank die.
I did not know anything about it when I played all these dungeons the first time (as a Conjurer/Whitemage). The only thing I could think of was healing, that's it, I was insecure and afraid of making mistakes.

So, what is it what I want to say?
If you don't feel like dpsing as a healer, don't do it. It's not neccessary in any normal dungeon. But if you want to, go ahead, there's no problem with doing that
I don't know how it is in raids and stuff, I'm no raider and never will be, so I can only talk about "normal" content.

[MentheusDreyar]

No, no there really isn't, especially if you are a SCH. Eos can solo heal almost anything sub 50 (with 40+ requiring a few heals from you every now and then). Hell, even savage has alot of time for both healers to be in cleric stance.

Ofcourse you are welcome to overheal or sit on your arse doing nothing, but please don't try and pull this 'special snowflake' rubbish. You are not playing as well as you could be, end of.

+1

Even as a WHM and AST i find myself DPSing more than healing... Healing potency is so OTT in this game that actually needing to spam heal is rare, especially when you couple it with mitigation

[Iris_BP]

No, no there really isn't, especially if you are a SCH. Eos can solo heal almost anything sub 50 (with 40+ requiring a few heals from you every now and then). Hell, even savage has alot of time for both healers to be in cleric stance.

Ofcourse you are welcome to overheal or sit on your arse doing nothing, but please don't try and pull this 'special snowflake' rubbish. You are not playing as well as you could be, end of.

Maybe if you're a scholar yes, but as a whm or ast no. I'm not telling you that you can't dps in SV for instance (because I do) but noone would say a word to you if you didn't. End game is absolutely different in this case and most of the parties require you to contribute and I'm totally okay with that. I'm trying to say that you can do a lot of content without people ranting that you're lazy.

[MentheusDreyar]

Maybe if you're a scholar yes, but as a whm or ast no. I'm not telling you that you can't dps in SV for instance (because I do) but noone would say a word to you if you didn't. End game is absolutely different in this case and most of the parties require you to contribute and I'm totally okay with that. I'm trying to say that you can do a lot of content without people ranting that you're lazy.

No you're wrong, you can DPS in everything if you want, no matter what healer you play. Every healer i personally know (and most are WHM/AST) DPS in every single piece of content from 1-60 inc. savage, solo healer or 8 man, doesn't matter. There is never enough damage to ensure any healer in any content is forced to only heal because healing is ridiculously OP compared to incoming damage in this game.

Is it harder to DPS as WHM and AST than SCH? Yeah sure, leveling both myself currently i'd agree, but it's still stupidly easy to DPS and do your basic job of keeping everyone alive.

[Iris_BP]

No you're wrong, you can DPS in everything if you want

You are not hearing me. Where did I say you can't dps in every dungeon? I just said that there are leveling dungeons where people won't say a word to you for not doing anything but healing. Hell, I level ninja and 95% of healers are only healing and Noone gives a damn about it, definitely not to the point of telling them in chat. Because if you're undergeared healer or you're with undergeared tank it's not easy to consistently dps. Of course you can throw in some dots and occasional rock but that's it. And many people while leveling just don't care enough.
I'm not defending lazy healers, um just saying Thayet many things depend on a situation. If you're struggling with just healing then you better not dps until you feel like you can, that's common sense.

[MentheusDreyar]

Because if you're undergeared healer or you're with undergeared tank it's not easy to consistently dps. Of course you can throw in some dots and occasional rock but that's it. And many people while leveling just don't care enough.
I'm not defending lazy healers, um just saying Thayet many things depend on a situation. If you're struggling with just healing then you better not dps until you feel like you can, that's common sense.

No i hear you, and i agree there are situations where you can't and if you're struggling to heal then don't DPS due to whatever reason. But these situations are few and far inbetween. I myself have never encountered one, hell the first thing i do when entering new content as my healers in see how much DPS i can output, with HoT and mitigation is easy as hell to ignore healing until last minute, as you'll unlikely need your emergency heal again before it's off CD. I pretty much use them every pull, no use saving them only to never use them

But i started out DPSing as early as Halatali, healer undergeared, tank undergeared doesn't really matter except in mass pulls. DPSing while healing is still very easy in those situations, heck i've been doing it all day so i know what i'm talking about

And if they are mass pulling while undergeared they will more than likely die before you run out of MP. So either way it's a non issue.