But...I...I don't wanna DPS, I'm a healer...

[braneri1]

Rational? I don't know if that's rational, but I started playing a healer to heal. I'm ok with doing DPS, but NOT ok with people expecting it from you like it's some type of rule on the game's ToS.

So following your 'logic' you would then be perfectly fine with the following:

drk who never uses darkside
war who never uses berserk
pld who never uses fight or flight
tanks in general who never use defensive abilities
mnk who never uses fists of fire
drg who never uses heavy thrust
nin who never uses huton
brd who never uses wanderer's minuet


...need I go on?

Why should healers get some kind of automatic pass to be lazy and think nobody should ever criticise them for it?

This is a team game and if anyone refuses to put in a team effort then you are a detriment and should find some single player game to play instead.

[RadiantRay]

I don't understand why some don't want to dps. Healing in the majority of this game is too easy, and it's not like the older mmos where healer dmg is abysmal. You can really deal some serious damage if you know how to dps, which isn't even all that hard to begin with on a healer. Also just because you're dpsing doesn't mean you're not healing, dpsing doesn't mean you're not a healer anymore, you can always step out of cleric stance to resume healing as needed.

I once did an experiment to see if I get more commendations when I dps vs when I don't and on the runs where I didn't dps took so much longer, the game was awfully boring. If I'm going to run a dungeon I would like to play and contribute as much as I can to the party because doing nothing but healing is like pressing 1 button once every 10 seconds >.>

[Tint]

So following your 'logic' you would then be perfectly fine with the following:

drk who never uses darkside
war who never uses berserk
pld who never uses fight or flight
tanks in general who never use defensive abilities
mnk who never uses fists of fire
drg who never uses heavy thrust
nin who never uses huton
brd who never uses wanderer's minuet


...need I go on?

yes, because after your 'logic' you forgot:

whm who never use hots
ast who never use cards
sch who never use shields

Why should healers get some kind of automatic pass to be lazy and think nobody should ever criticise them for it?

This is a team game and if anyone refuses to put in a team effort then you are a detriment and should find some single player game to play instead.

so... keeping everyone alive is being lazy and the healing type of healer isn't even part of the team? and a healer who uses all his healing skills and healing cds and shields is compareable to any DPS who doesn't use his DPS-buffs or a tank who doesn't use his defense-buffs?

[Cynfael]

yes, because after your 'logic' you forgot:

whm who never use hots
ast who never use cards
sch who never use shields



so... keeping everyone alive is being lazy and the healing type of healer isn't even part of the team? and a healer who uses all his healing skills and healing cds and shields is compareable to any DPS who doesn't use his DPS-buffs or a tank who doesn't use his defense-buffs?

A player who chooses not to use skills that could help themselves and their party is not playing well; often they are deliberately choosing to put in less effort. That is the point that you are supposed to take away from braneri1's comparison.

Also remember that keeping everyone alive is a bare minimum expectation in most content. Just because everyone is kept alive doesn't mean that the healer gets to hang up the rest of their kit and mentally AFK. If DPS did this, it would be both hilarious and awful: "...well, I threw out a couple of abilities, and clearly none of us are dying, so I can rest my fingers and let auto-attacks finish the job."

[braneri1]

yes, because after your 'logic' you forgot:

whm who never use hots
ast who never use cards
sch who never use shields



so... keeping everyone alive is being lazy and the healing type of healer isn't even part of the team? and a healer who uses all his healing skills and healing cds and shields is compareable to any DPS who doesn't use his DPS-buffs or a tank who doesn't use his defense-buffs?

Hence why I said "need I go on?" which you conveniently ignored.

People like you need to realize one very simple irrefutable fact about this game.

ROLES ARE NOT SET IN STONE, THIS IS NOT THAT KIND OF GAME

If that's the kind of experience you want then find a game that fits what you want better instead of being a scrub dragging everyone else down.

[Fevelle]

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Here we go again, it's the game we love ♪

Roles are not set in stone, yes, hence why some tanks turn on their DPS instances, DPS classes use songs/buffs that help the party while lowering their damage and healers do DPS. This DOES NOT MEAN any of these things are their primary responsability.

If, as a healer, outside of hardcore endgame, I decide to not DPS, I'm not dragging anyone down because:
• It's not my main role.
• The game is not designed with healer damage in the calculations.
• My priority is to keep everyone alive, buffed and use my cooldowns accordingly to the situations while predicting danger.

The same applies to DPS who focus on their damage instead of buffs and Tanks who focus on enmity generation: are they using their class to their extremely full potential? No.
Are they playing their class to a sufficient extent so the party can advance without trouble? Yes.

All this healer DPS mentality was never endorsed by the devs outside of endgame hardcore content, and I really think this began with reminiscent players from WoW or other games that are not Final Fantasy to begin with.

[Archaell]

This is a team game and if anyone refuses to put in a team effort then you are a detriment and should find some single player game to play instead.

The golden age of tank and healer only groups. Yay \o/

Seriously... First worry about dps players whose job is to do dps and yet quite often they do less damage than tanks and healers. Then we can worry about healers who refuse to dps. I know it is easy to think that the healer is responsible for slow dungeons , but as it is right now your average healer is still putting in more effort than your average dps player, so the blame is totally missing the correct target.

If everybody tried to contribute as much as possible that would be blissful.

[Cynfael]

The golden age of tank and healer only groups. Yay \o/

Seriously... First worry about dps players whose job is to do dps and yet quite often they do less damage than tanks and healers. Then we can worry about healers who refuse to dps. I know it is easy to think that the healer is responsible for slow dungeons , but as it is right now your average healer is still putting in more effort than your average dps player, so the blame is totally missing the correct target.

If everybody tried to contribute as much as possible that would be blissful.

This discussion is never about blaming the DPS. Many players of all roles are terrible; this is known.

What it's about is people trying to gain special snowflake exemption for healers to put forth less than their full effort just because they actually got grouped with people who play intelligently and need little babysitting.

Players like the OP who are new to the game are not reasonably expected to do anything other than learn the game in general, but it would definitely be unfortunate if even more players read some of the responses around here and walked away with the idea that, while they should expect DPS and tanks to pull their full weight, healers are doing just fine and need not put forth any additional effort as long as they aren't allowing anyone to die...except possibly on the inside, each time the next compulsive overheal sparkles around their nearly-full HP character....

[braneri1]

The golden age of tank and healer only groups. Yay \o/

Seriously... First worry about dps players whose job is to do dps and yet quite often they do less damage than tanks and healers. Then we can worry about healers who refuse to dps. I know it is easy to think that the healer is responsible for slow dungeons , but as it is right now your average healer is still putting in more effort than your average dps player, so the blame is totally missing the correct target.

If everybody tried to contribute as much as possible that would be blissful.

Yes absolutely dps have more of an effect on that, I was never blaming healers who don't dps for slow runs. My point is that the line of thought people use to say healers should not dps is extremely flawed and a double standard they use to avoid any sort of accountability. It's an excuse to deliberately ignore a great deal of your skill set while expecting others to put out high levels of performance. They think they should have the right to be carried and only heal even when the vast, vast majority of this game requires so little healing it's pathetic. "As long as the content is cleared then who cares?" is the worst attitude to have and that is the reason why I listed some examples of what applying their double standard in a fair way across the board would amount to, which is made even stronger given the high simplicity of many of them (fists of fire for example, one button you press once and you never have to touch it again for an entire instance, which makes up a lot of your damage potential...and yet I come across people who literally refuse to use it even after being asked multiple times and multiple pulls later, as I give people a chance if they just didn't realize it themselves at first; I have even forgotten a few times myself and would be glad for the reminder).

you mean like him?

He already has his mind made up, this is extremely obvious due to his defeatist mindset displayed through his posts here. All he was looking for is an echo chamber.

Oh, so they really managed to ruin the game for someone, because you know, efficiency comes before fun and all that crap.

This is assuming that playing in an efficient manner is inherently opposed to having fun. Great logic there.

"Quit being such a tryhard waaaaah"

[Archaell]

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Here is the thing. Every cleric stance CD puts you in a vulnerable position. During this time situations can happen that lead to failing your main priority - healing. It's pressure that not every healer can handle.

Imo dpsing as healer is better than not dpsing... but! You need to reach certain level of skill and confidence.

It is also important to think about this in context. When mobs die fast it is easier to heal and dps. This isn't always the case tho. Right now many dps players do job so poor it is hard to believe it. When mobs and bosses die at snail pace it is bloody hard to keep your MP up or to heal through increasing dmg. This creates the situation where healers think that they are barely able to heal and it also makes dpsing out of question... which is a little paradox, because if you dps, things die faster and your role gets easier. Yet again you need to reach certain level of skill and confidence.

"As long as the content is cleared then who cares?"

I thought that this sentence is used mainly by dps Netflixers ^^

Here is the problem. Healers and tanks are right now more accountable than dps players. So until we fix this (vote for parsers!) then you can't really talk about double standards here. Maybe if healers saw how much dps they can do, and that they sometimes can outdps even dps classes, there would be more of them willing to dps.