But...I...I don't wanna DPS, I'm a healer...

[Ghishlain]

The question I have to ask to all the players who defend a "Heal only" position - what rational do you have to only need to heal someone once every 6-8 GCDs? I can understand being new and uncomfortable initially - this makes a lot of sense. But when you're experienced and over geared, why not contribute more? I have yet to see a solid reason to why someone shouldn't DPS when the majority of damage in this game comes from high scripted and predictable patterns.

[Tint]

The question I have to ask to all the players who defend a "Heal only" position - what rational do you have to only need to heal someone once every 6-8 GCDs? I can understand being new and uncomfortable initially - this makes a lot of sense. But when you're experienced and over geared, why not contribute more? I have yet to see a solid reason to why someone shouldn't DPS when the majority of damage in this game comes from high scripted and predictable patterns.

because i hate it D: especially the stance dance... so rational it's either stop playing as a healer - wich means for me stop playing FF14 at all because i hate the battle system except healing - or just heal.

okay, in real i am in fact doing DPS, but i don't want it. but even if i don't use any HoTs there is simply nothing to heal. and yeah, i'm not staying there around doing nothing for like 10 seconds. but i hate it : / i want something i can heal, not dps o.o/

[Fevelle]

The question I have to ask to all the players who defend a "Heal only" position - what rational do you have to only need to heal someone once every 6-8 GCDs? I can understand being new and uncomfortable initially - this makes a lot of sense. But when you're experienced and over geared, why not contribute more? I have yet to see a solid reason to why someone shouldn't DPS when the majority of damage in this game comes from high scripted and predictable patterns.

Rational? I don't know if that's rational, but I started playing a healer to heal. I'm ok with doing DPS, but NOT ok with people expecting it from you like it's some type of rule on the game's ToS.

[braneri1]

Rational? I don't know if that's rational, but I started playing a healer to heal. I'm ok with doing DPS, but NOT ok with people expecting it from you like it's some type of rule on the game's ToS.

So following your 'logic' you would then be perfectly fine with the following:

drk who never uses darkside
war who never uses berserk
pld who never uses fight or flight
tanks in general who never use defensive abilities
mnk who never uses fists of fire
drg who never uses heavy thrust
nin who never uses huton
brd who never uses wanderer's minuet


...need I go on?

Why should healers get some kind of automatic pass to be lazy and think nobody should ever criticise them for it?

This is a team game and if anyone refuses to put in a team effort then you are a detriment and should find some single player game to play instead.

[RadiantRay]

I don't understand why some don't want to dps. Healing in the majority of this game is too easy, and it's not like the older mmos where healer dmg is abysmal. You can really deal some serious damage if you know how to dps, which isn't even all that hard to begin with on a healer. Also just because you're dpsing doesn't mean you're not healing, dpsing doesn't mean you're not a healer anymore, you can always step out of cleric stance to resume healing as needed.

I once did an experiment to see if I get more commendations when I dps vs when I don't and on the runs where I didn't dps took so much longer, the game was awfully boring. If I'm going to run a dungeon I would like to play and contribute as much as I can to the party because doing nothing but healing is like pressing 1 button once every 10 seconds >.>

[Tint]

So following your 'logic' you would then be perfectly fine with the following:

drk who never uses darkside
war who never uses berserk
pld who never uses fight or flight
tanks in general who never use defensive abilities
mnk who never uses fists of fire
drg who never uses heavy thrust
nin who never uses huton
brd who never uses wanderer's minuet


...need I go on?

yes, because after your 'logic' you forgot:

whm who never use hots
ast who never use cards
sch who never use shields

Why should healers get some kind of automatic pass to be lazy and think nobody should ever criticise them for it?

This is a team game and if anyone refuses to put in a team effort then you are a detriment and should find some single player game to play instead.

so... keeping everyone alive is being lazy and the healing type of healer isn't even part of the team? and a healer who uses all his healing skills and healing cds and shields is compareable to any DPS who doesn't use his DPS-buffs or a tank who doesn't use his defense-buffs?

[Cynfael]

yes, because after your 'logic' you forgot:

whm who never use hots
ast who never use cards
sch who never use shields



so... keeping everyone alive is being lazy and the healing type of healer isn't even part of the team? and a healer who uses all his healing skills and healing cds and shields is compareable to any DPS who doesn't use his DPS-buffs or a tank who doesn't use his defense-buffs?

A player who chooses not to use skills that could help themselves and their party is not playing well; often they are deliberately choosing to put in less effort. That is the point that you are supposed to take away from braneri1's comparison.

Also remember that keeping everyone alive is a bare minimum expectation in most content. Just because everyone is kept alive doesn't mean that the healer gets to hang up the rest of their kit and mentally AFK. If DPS did this, it would be both hilarious and awful: "...well, I threw out a couple of abilities, and clearly none of us are dying, so I can rest my fingers and let auto-attacks finish the job."

[braneri1]

yes, because after your 'logic' you forgot:

whm who never use hots
ast who never use cards
sch who never use shields



so... keeping everyone alive is being lazy and the healing type of healer isn't even part of the team? and a healer who uses all his healing skills and healing cds and shields is compareable to any DPS who doesn't use his DPS-buffs or a tank who doesn't use his defense-buffs?

Hence why I said "need I go on?" which you conveniently ignored.

People like you need to realize one very simple irrefutable fact about this game.

ROLES ARE NOT SET IN STONE, THIS IS NOT THAT KIND OF GAME

If that's the kind of experience you want then find a game that fits what you want better instead of being a scrub dragging everyone else down.

[Fevelle]

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Here we go again, it's the game we love ♪

Roles are not set in stone, yes, hence why some tanks turn on their DPS instances, DPS classes use songs/buffs that help the party while lowering their damage and healers do DPS. This DOES NOT MEAN any of these things are their primary responsability.

If, as a healer, outside of hardcore endgame, I decide to not DPS, I'm not dragging anyone down because:
• It's not my main role.
• The game is not designed with healer damage in the calculations.
• My priority is to keep everyone alive, buffed and use my cooldowns accordingly to the situations while predicting danger.

The same applies to DPS who focus on their damage instead of buffs and Tanks who focus on enmity generation: are they using their class to their extremely full potential? No.
Are they playing their class to a sufficient extent so the party can advance without trouble? Yes.

All this healer DPS mentality was never endorsed by the devs outside of endgame hardcore content, and I really think this began with reminiscent players from WoW or other games that are not Final Fantasy to begin with.

[Archaell]

This is a team game and if anyone refuses to put in a team effort then you are a detriment and should find some single player game to play instead.

The golden age of tank and healer only groups. Yay \o/

Seriously... First worry about dps players whose job is to do dps and yet quite often they do less damage than tanks and healers. Then we can worry about healers who refuse to dps. I know it is easy to think that the healer is responsible for slow dungeons , but as it is right now your average healer is still putting in more effort than your average dps player, so the blame is totally missing the correct target.

If everybody tried to contribute as much as possible that would be blissful.