But...I...I don't wanna DPS, I'm a healer...

[Dante_V]

So one could infer, from your reasoning, that it is perfectly fine for dps to stand in avoidable aoes in order to slightly increase dps. I mean, it's the healers' job to heal right?

#Drglyfe

/10chars

[PriestAlseid]

I just did a run of Tam-Tara with my WHM (Trying to unlock Stone Skin) and I tried to DPS but the Warrior went all "LEEROY JENKINS" on me and made it into a speed run, so all I really had time to do was throw a few non-CS Aero casts on the mobs when I could, and heal the tank. Even ran off and started pulling before I'd cast Protect or eaten.

Not complaining though, this thread has made me avoid healing as much as possible and to be thrown into it like that was pretty cool. I got 2 commendations out of it so yay I guess.

Also is it me or do Warriors health bars drop faster than other tanks. I had a tank in Halitali yesterday and his health bar kept jumping up a couple of hundred on his max health every now and again, and it was great healing them.

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[Ghishlain]

I just did a run of Tam-Tara with my WHM (Trying to unlock Stone Skin) and I tried to DPS but the Warrior went all "LEEROY JENKINS" on me and made it into a speed run, so all I really had time to do was throw a few non-CS Aero casts on the mobs when I could, and heal the tank. Even ran off and started pulling before I'd cast Protect or eaten.

Not complaining though, this thread has made me avoid healing as much as possible and to be thrown into it like that was pretty cool. I got 2 commendations out of it so yay I guess.

Also is it me or do Warriors health bars drop faster than other tanks. I had a tank in Halitali yesterday and his health bar kept jumping up a couple of hundred on his max health every now and again, and it was great healing them.

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Part of being a good healer is understanding when and how to heal and when and how to DPS. Understanding that in this situation the best thing to do is heal to maintain forward momentum already puts you ahead of most healers who can't adapt. Good on you.

Unfortunately, you're going to run into tanks who feel they are "too good for your buffs" and run off. You'll just have to learn to play around these... special... tanks. That or they wipe the group because they think they're hot stuff when they're not and have everyone's ire directed towards them afterwards. *Shrugs* C'est la vie?

In terms of WARs, WARs tend to be more ping pongy with their HP as they usually have a higher HP total and receive a bonus to healing received versus direct mitigation from Shield Oath and Grit for PLD and DRk respectively. Admittedly, at the level you're at none of the tanks have access to their tank stances and you shouldn't be experiencing it that much at that level. Could just be an undergeared WAR tank trying to prove something. Hard to say without too much more info.

[Anova]

Not complaining though, this thread has made me avoid healing as much as possible and to be thrown into it like that was pretty cool. I got 2 commendations out of it so yay I guess.

Also is it me or do Warriors health bars drop faster than other tanks. I had a tank in Halitali yesterday and his health bar kept jumping up a couple of hundred on his max health every now and again, and it was great healing them.

Warriors have 20% more hp than other tanks and none of the mitigation, so the health bar does drop faster by percentage. They also recover 20% more hp, but it's not immediately noticeable if you're just looking at health bars. They also lose that bonus hp when they switch out of Defiance to dps, which is why you tend to see it rise and drop.

As for your particular tank, I am inclined to believe they had some DRG gear on them. When tanks lose a lot of HP very quickly even though they're avoiding telegraphs and using CDs, it's usually because they mistook DRG gear as tank gear. It's a hard lesson for a tank to learn that just because they can wear the armor, it doesn't mean they should.

BTW, congrats on the commendations and for staying with the thread for so long. The DPS healer debate is a real can of worms.

P.S. I actually like that hot pink robe look on a Hellsguard.

[vp_cmc]

So one could infer, from your reasoning, that it is perfectly fine for dps to stand in avoidable aoes in order to slightly increase dps. I mean, it's the healers' job to heal right?

Actually I do sometimes this thing (as brd) at a4s 1-st leg, when it's time to refresh my dots, but I got a red circle under me just when I started casting IJ. It will hit me for 50% of my hp, and I will be recovered by fairy, so why not?

[Whiteroom]

Also is it me or do Warriors health bars drop faster than other tanks. I had a tank in Halitali yesterday and his health bar kept jumping up a couple of hundred on his max health every now and again, and it was great healing them.

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Yeah, as stated above, WARs recieve the extra HP instead of mitigation. This makes that happen. WARs are also the choice of DPS tanks, as a result I tend to find more that wear pure STR, who run off out of tank stance for more damage, pop no cool downs, and expect it to go as awesome as their runs a dps with a good tank. I tend to think of them as Demikas.

[CGMidlander]

I had a horrible run of Haukke Manor earlier this evening where I went OOM and a DPS died (didn't have Hi-Ether on bar) and while I kept everyone else alive I majorly panicked, then at the end of the dungeon the other DPS and Tank used emotes to disapprove before entering the portal immediately. I'm not gonna lie, this is a game, and this is the internet where people can say what they want without repercussion, but it was really really disheartening to see someone give me a questioning look, and a disapproving look, especially as a newbie still learning.

Most people don't LoS to cancel Thunder III and Fire III, so they end up eating those hard hitting spells. It can get hairy when the adds come out, since they can cast those spells too.

It also doesn't help if the tank is using DRG or DoW gear, which is vastly inferior to same-level tank-specific armor.

[lulunami]

Since you are still new to the game, it is okay for you to just focus on the basics of healing. Anticipate the damage spikes on the tank and party and mentally prepare what heals you are going to use next.

However, once you get more experienced with healing, you may see periods of time where you can safely supplement dps for your group. A great healer is able to identify these potential dps opportunities without putting the party at risk. Also, while a Scholar has certain dps advantages in raid environments, a White Mage can also output a significant amount of dps so that should not be overlooked.

Most importantly you should just have fun playing the game. Some people are just really jaded and have attitude problems. Just have fun and relax and do not let negative people put you in a bad place.

[PriestAlseid]

Question!

I was running a dungeon on my SMN and the healer was an SCH but they weren't doing DPS. I read somewhere that DoTs don't stack, is that true?

If yes, ah okay.

If no, -now- I get the whole "DPS" as heals thing, cause I was like, "You're standing around. You could DoT that, and that, press your Bane button."

[DarkerOrange]

SCH and SMN DoTs do stack, so it was just laziness.