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  1. #11
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    Whiteroom's Avatar
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    T'erra Branford
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    Jenova
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    White Mage Lv 80
    You don't have to dps in most content. Pretty much none of it really. But healing in this game isn't that hard, especially once you have the battles down and know when the hard hits are coming. I get extremely bored if I don't dps, since if every one is doing their job, its just an odd cast here and there. The only times I don't dps is if the group is doing something to annoy me, and at that, i generally don't have the paitence to stop for more than one or two pulls or a boss.

    Healing is easy enough that a great healer doesn't only keep the party alive, a mediocre one can do that.

    All that being said, if you want to really focus on straight healing AST or WHM is the way to go. At least with AST you can play with cards while you wait.
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  2. #12
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    Astral Flame
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    Hyperion
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    Black Mage Lv 80
    braneri1

    So is harassing players that have a different play style then someone else. You call grief over a healer allowing a tank to die bc the tank was crying over the healer not dpsing... Maybe players are tired of being told how to play. If someone is complaining bc the mobs or boss isn't dieing fast enough then you need to look at the dps not the healer. And if someone is trying to force a healer to dps then dies bc the healer listen and started dpsing well who is to blame?

    You can go ahead and call the GM and cry about it I really don't care because I am tired of players telling other players how to play their job. In reality life is a 2 sided coin with the same bs on both sides. And if some how the coin lands on the side who wins? In the long run it doesn't matter...
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    Were numbers invented or discovered? How many Moogles does it take to make Kuponut rum? Answer: zero... They will give you a quest to make it.

  3. #13
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    Sylvia Courtois
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    Brynhildr
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    Conjurer Lv 60
    Reading comprehension is not your strength apparently. I said unless the tank is throwing a fit.
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  4. #14
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    Astral Flame
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    Hyperion
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    Black Mage Lv 80
    braneri1

    lol if you say so... I have run into so many dungeons where dps's and tanks just complain bc the healer just heals o.O??? I am someone who likes to level all jobs so I can have an understanding of how each job works like knowing their flaws and strengths. So when I tank or heal I know what I can do and what not to do. For example if the group is smn and blm then I know I can pull extra mobs w/out adding more strain on the healer. But I always ask how the group feels about extra pulls and if the healer says "NO" I wont do it period.

    I always ask and make sure everyone in the group is on board b4 I go pulling everything in sight. I keep an eye out on the healers mp bar.... I make sure to keep everything as still as possible when a mnk is in the group so the mnk can go all out w/out worring about where the mobs are facing. And I make sure to group the mobs as close together as I can so the smn and blm can just aoe bomb the crap out of them.

    I make sure to rotate my cd's properly so I don't put heavy strain on the healer bc that mp is precious and if I can help keep that bar up the run will go smooth and quick.

    As a tank I just don't hold agro and take all the punches to the face I watch what the group does and keep an eye out for anything that will make me do a change up in my play style... I try to adapt to the play style of everyone in the group and by the time I reach the 1st boss I pretty much know what I need to do to keep the dungeon run as smooth as possible.

    I don't force my play style on anyone instead I adapt to other play styles and that goes for any class I play. I guess you can say I have a chameleon like play style.

    The art of Adapting and Blending is my kung fu.... I will always bend with the wind. I will always move with the tide. You can not break me... I will never laugh at a weaker person or kick them while they are down. I will always stride to help them stand on there own 2 feet so they to can be strong... that is my kung fu my way of life.

    Always stride to build a stronger foundation for others to stand on so they may know strength. Never give up on a person because we all make mistakes... the best feeling you can ever have is that moment of clarity where it finally make since.
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    Last edited by Astral145; 10-02-2015 at 04:06 PM.

    Were numbers invented or discovered? How many Moogles does it take to make Kuponut rum? Answer: zero... They will give you a quest to make it.

  5. #15
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    Viviza Viza
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    Ultros
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    Conjurer Lv 60
    I'm going to be a bit contrary and say that if everyone is topped off, and you're standing there idling, I don't really consider it playing to the best of your ability.

    You're being lazy.

    It will annoy me. It's the same as if the tank spams overpower until he has threat and then just goes AFK for half the pull. Or the summoner spreads dots and then just idles, because it's 'a dot job'. Or if you're playing an archer rather than a bard because 'it's my character concept'. Dungeons are easy enough that everyone can do this, but it's terribly dysfunctional.

    Now, it's your game and your sub and your money. That it annoys me doesn't give me the right to do anything about it to you. But maybe playing a team-based game while not putting in a team effort is the wrong mentality to bring into things.
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  6. #16
    Player braneri1's Avatar
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    Sylvia Courtois
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    Brynhildr
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    Conjurer Lv 60
    Also considering that most healers' dps abilities are either dots or instant cast, it doesn't even take much effort at all to keep them up. Just a few gcds once every 20-30 seconds or so and that's already putting out the majority of your potential on dps. Very quick and simple.
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  7. #17
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    Sida Bajihri
    World
    Phoenix
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 100
    I quite understand the picking a healer because not wanting to dps. I used to be like that and had been playing healer in other games. Now though.. guess it was a gradual change. Not wanting to dps can be not wanting to have the pressure of having to kill stuff quick. But how I started to see it is, dishing out some damage is sort of pre-emptive healing after all, dead mob doesn't cause damage. Doing some damage on healer doesn't need to be done on the same pressure as being full time dps. Just add dot here or there. Besides poisoning poizone monster can be oddly gratifying . I'm rambling, what I'm saying is, if you are not heading for the cutting edge latest possible content, you are not required to heal to be able to play trough stuff. But take a peek at it. When done with no pressure of having to be speedy or throughout you can still add tick or two to the party damage just for fun's
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    If you say 'pls' because it's shorter than 'please', I say 'no' because it's shorter than 'yes'.

  8. #18
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    Purple Rain
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    Sophia
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 32
    Both healer and tank jobs in this game are about more than just filling their simplified role (healing/tanking) in the party. Every party member's responsibility is to make sure that they're doing what they can to make the dungeon or whatever other content goes as smoothly as possible. For a healer it means buffing the group, making sure no one is in danger of dying, debuffing the monsters to slow down damage on party members (Holy for WHM, Shadowflare for SCH, Virus, Eye for an Eye etc.) and helping to make the monsters die as fast as possible. Playing any job well means taking advantage from all of its useful abilities and trying to play the job to its full capacity.

    Of course perfection shouldn't be required from anyone, but not even trying to use a great part of any job's abilities is considered lazy. For a healer, it's often refusing to DPS while everyone is close to full health, for a tank it's spamming one AoE enmity move without doing any damage, and for a DD it's doing the bare minimum but not using any DPS boosting abilities. All of these can be "justified" by claiming that doing the bare minimum should be enough and that the player would find anything more than that "stressful", but it doesn't change the fact that the player simply isn't bringing the whole job to the party. Somehow this is often considered to be more acceptable from healers than from any other role.

    I never comment on anyone playing like this in duty finder (not to the party members at least), but seeing someone not even trying to fully contribute to the group is annoying. There are so many "healers" out there who spend most of their time either standing still and doing absolutely nothing or overhealing everyone like crazy.
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    Last edited by Taika; 10-02-2015 at 04:23 PM.

  9. #19
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    Koromo Amae
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    Phoenix
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    Conjurer Lv 89
    when i stared playing, i just healed. even when reaching endgame dungeons (not the hard raid stuff) i just healed. nobody ever complained about that. but after months of playing, getting down the job and game mechanics more and more as well as getting better equip, i actually started to dps on my own when there was no healing to do. there are times when there is no (unavoidable) real dmg on the group that a dot/fairy cant heal so why not add some dps instead of standing around

    as said before, there is no need to dps outside of bleeding edge raid instances (and some rare dps races like odin final phase but at that time the boss just stands there and you have to kill him before he finishes his one-shot cast), so if you dont feel like dpsing, just dont do it. and if someone complains, ignore it. especially while leveling. your job description states "healer", every bit of dps is just a bonus from you.

    also as been said before, if you absolutely dont want to dps, go AST, the class has the least dps potential but can buff the dmg of the group members with its card buff system (which is quite RNG based), so in almost every case you really just heal and buff with AST
    WHM also is more on the healing side, but dont underestimate WHM dps
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  10. #20
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    Mentheus Dreyar
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    Cerberus
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 80
    As others have said, unless you are in progression raiding healer DPS isn't required, although its greatly appreciated if you DPS during downtime rather than stand there doing nothing for a good amount of time.

    However you should probably think over which healer you want to play as the SCH won't fit into your playstyle. Eos or Selene will keep your party topped off, so you should find yourself with plenty of downtime where you have little to no healing to be done. It's these situations where healers are expected to DPS, and as a SCH main, i literally do spend 70%+ of my time in Clerics Stance DPSing rather than healing because we are the only class that can DPS and heal at the same time.

    It sounds like you want a more traditional healer, so i would suggest you swap to CNJ/WHM and later try AST in heavensward, as a good SCH will be DPSing most of the time. As a SCH main is really annoys me when i see SCH's standing around doing nothing
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    Last edited by MentheusDreyar; 10-02-2015 at 04:26 PM.

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