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    technole's Avatar
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    Thea Sitori
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    Scholar Lv 72
    Quote Originally Posted by Critical-Limit View Post
    For the record there are times where eating damage as a DPS from a mechanic is worth it. A monk losing grease lightning is worse than a whm missing a stone III.

    So if a monk has to put himself in damage to keep it. It's worth it to heal through. But this case doesn't happen very often.
    I look at the same way with DPS having Blood for Blood being up, or a BLM using Convert (sac 20% HP for 30% MP), all of which pushes their DPS and sometimes mechanical damage just happened to line-up with it. I don't think I once asked for anyone to click off BfB in a raid I would usually notice it and compensate as-needed.
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    Psycho Bunny
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    White Mage Lv 80
    I say just practice and play how you want, it will come with experience. Most people on here are much more hardcore than the average player. I've never had issues and have completed all of alex several times. I have no interest in being a DPS so seeing a MNK take damage I'd have zero way of knowing or caring that they did it on purpose to get out some kind of combo vs just being lazy. The buffs on the party list are so small and playing PS4 it's not like you have a mouse to easily hover over one to see what each DPS currently has on the go. It's very different playing with a static or a group of good players where things like that make sense. But for most people that just do DF, you get a huge mix. Sometimes good people sometimes bad, you just adapt.
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    Talya Stormbreaker
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    Lamia
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    Warrior Lv 70
    After seeing some other posts from OP I think his anxiety stems from the expectation that the tank and other party members should constantly be at, or near, full HP at all times and that's just not true. I have three healing jobs at 55, I main warrior, and I don't even start healing tanks until their health is around 50 percent unless something is going quickly, horribly wrong. Fairy heals, or cure/Benefic potency, mean healing them at greater than 50 percent risks wasting the healing toolkit you have to throw at them. And that healing toolkit, on SCH especially, allows for more downtime therefore more time to toggle cleric stance, put down shadowflare, and dot away.

    Of all three healing jobs I'd say AST has the least time to dps due to card management and lack of good offensive skills so again, once OP gets to Heavensward I recommend switching to AST.
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    Xizzy Azenith
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    Zalera
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    Quote Originally Posted by technole View Post
    I look at the same way with DPS having Blood for Blood being up, or a BLM using Convert (sac 20% HP for 30% MP), all of which pushes their DPS and sometimes mechanical damage just happened to line-up with it. I don't think I once asked for anyone to click off BfB in a raid I would usually notice it and compensate as-needed.
    Someone earlier in the thread made fun of dps taking damage during a mechanic as if it should never happen. No one corrected this person so I felt slightly obligated that sometimes DPS choose to eat damage than lose out on huge amount of dPS.

    Example when sucked up by Alexander my grease lightning was about to wear so I shoulder tackled the left leg to get there ASAP, saved my grease lighting but I took AOE damage otw there. And I believe this was the correct decision for the team, even though I had to put stress on the healer.
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    Honestly just practice that's where you'll get better and learn it all. Everyone plays differently, the people on this forum are definitely more hardcore. Like I said before I've never had any problem doing any floor of alex, and I never pay attention what combos or whatever some DPS is doing. I get at least 1 commendation probably 95% of the time and I've never had anyone yell or say I'm healing wrong. Point is, this forum is great for getting help and information, but it's not the end all resource. Play however you want and practice and learn what works best for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorlioliolio View Post
    In that titan HM situation you described it is more likely that you cast medica 2, and then instead of sitting back and letting it work you also cast 2-3 medicas. I can't count the number of times whms did that on titan hm during 2.0 in my groups. Don't medica 2 until after heart, it's not needed, also shroud on CD (use first time after he lands the first time and you do your second aoe heal, might actually need to hold it slightly longer since dps can push it harder nowadays).
    I feel like any WHM doing Medica 2 followed by 2-3 Medica in Titan HM is seriously wasting MP! I haven't done it in forever, but generally when the ground goes red and everyone stacks, you start casting Medica II, so it hits the moment after Titan lands. There's really no need for anything else after that, as the single Medica II can easily bring everyone back. Not to mention you'll have the other healer probably doing the same type of spell, or you could even Divine Seal right before that Medica II. A single Medica might be needed after but I really don't think so, but either way 2 or 3 I've never seen before and seems like a waste. At least in my casual experience, and I've prob done it over 100 times as it used to be my #1 fav when I first hit 50.
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    E'dok Edok
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    Masamune
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    Ninja Lv 70
    So are you saying that people that do Savage and have a raid team don't have lives? Cos it sure sounds like that is what you are saying...
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    Miranda Madison
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    That's the biggest version of "yea DPS please" I've ever read.
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    Zaj Quilos
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    33 pages of repeating the same thing. We get it.
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    Ghishlain Pyrial
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    Mateus
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Yeah, parses are for all intents and purposes "illegal" on FFXIV. Though the general consensus is to maintain Fight Club rules. Don't talk about (and definitely don't harass about it). It's a great tool to measure your maximum DPS potential with a class and it just one tool a player can use to help improve themselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Twilite View Post
    Anyway, that DRG must have been having a bad day. They usually get 1k in fractal easy.
    The parse itself is over a 16 minute duration, so it's including all trash pulls in the dungeon. Something like that would highly favour a WHM and their AoE potential and do a disservice towards melee's so it's not an accurate representation of the party DPS on things that matter (bosses). Individual Boss parses are important because it can gauge how well you're doing while dealing with mechanics, adds, etc etc
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