But...I...I don't wanna DPS, I'm a healer...

[braneri1]

Rational? I don't know if that's rational, but I started playing a healer to heal. I'm ok with doing DPS, but NOT ok with people expecting it from you like it's some type of rule on the game's ToS.

So following your 'logic' you would then be perfectly fine with the following:

drk who never uses darkside
war who never uses berserk
pld who never uses fight or flight
tanks in general who never use defensive abilities
mnk who never uses fists of fire
drg who never uses heavy thrust
nin who never uses huton
brd who never uses wanderer's minuet


...need I go on?

Why should healers get some kind of automatic pass to be lazy and think nobody should ever criticise them for it?

This is a team game and if anyone refuses to put in a team effort then you are a detriment and should find some single player game to play instead.

[RadiantRay]

I don't understand why some don't want to dps. Healing in the majority of this game is too easy, and it's not like the older mmos where healer dmg is abysmal. You can really deal some serious damage if you know how to dps, which isn't even all that hard to begin with on a healer. Also just because you're dpsing doesn't mean you're not healing, dpsing doesn't mean you're not a healer anymore, you can always step out of cleric stance to resume healing as needed.

I once did an experiment to see if I get more commendations when I dps vs when I don't and on the runs where I didn't dps took so much longer, the game was awfully boring. If I'm going to run a dungeon I would like to play and contribute as much as I can to the party because doing nothing but healing is like pressing 1 button once every 10 seconds >.>

[Tint]

So following your 'logic' you would then be perfectly fine with the following:

drk who never uses darkside
war who never uses berserk
pld who never uses fight or flight
tanks in general who never use defensive abilities
mnk who never uses fists of fire
drg who never uses heavy thrust
nin who never uses huton
brd who never uses wanderer's minuet


...need I go on?

yes, because after your 'logic' you forgot:

whm who never use hots
ast who never use cards
sch who never use shields

Why should healers get some kind of automatic pass to be lazy and think nobody should ever criticise them for it?

This is a team game and if anyone refuses to put in a team effort then you are a detriment and should find some single player game to play instead.

so... keeping everyone alive is being lazy and the healing type of healer isn't even part of the team? and a healer who uses all his healing skills and healing cds and shields is compareable to any DPS who doesn't use his DPS-buffs or a tank who doesn't use his defense-buffs?

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

If this idiocy keeps up, some dps will be inspired some day to just stand there and auto attack because that's the bare minimum as their job as a "dps role"

[Archaell]

This is a team game and if anyone refuses to put in a team effort then you are a detriment and should find some single player game to play instead.

The golden age of tank and healer only groups. Yay \o/

Seriously... First worry about dps players whose job is to do dps and yet quite often they do less damage than tanks and healers. Then we can worry about healers who refuse to dps. I know it is easy to think that the healer is responsible for slow dungeons , but as it is right now your average healer is still putting in more effort than your average dps player, so the blame is totally missing the correct target.

If everybody tried to contribute as much as possible that would be blissful.

[Cynfael]

yes, because after your 'logic' you forgot:

whm who never use hots
ast who never use cards
sch who never use shields



so... keeping everyone alive is being lazy and the healing type of healer isn't even part of the team? and a healer who uses all his healing skills and healing cds and shields is compareable to any DPS who doesn't use his DPS-buffs or a tank who doesn't use his defense-buffs?

A player who chooses not to use skills that could help themselves and their party is not playing well; often they are deliberately choosing to put in less effort. That is the point that you are supposed to take away from braneri1's comparison.

Also remember that keeping everyone alive is a bare minimum expectation in most content. Just because everyone is kept alive doesn't mean that the healer gets to hang up the rest of their kit and mentally AFK. If DPS did this, it would be both hilarious and awful: "...well, I threw out a couple of abilities, and clearly none of us are dying, so I can rest my fingers and let auto-attacks finish the job."

[Cynfael]

The golden age of tank and healer only groups. Yay \o/

Seriously... First worry about dps players whose job is to do dps and yet quite often they do less damage than tanks and healers. Then we can worry about healers who refuse to dps. I know it is easy to think that the healer is responsible for slow dungeons , but as it is right now your average healer is still putting in more effort than your average dps player, so the blame is totally missing the correct target.

If everybody tried to contribute as much as possible that would be blissful.

This discussion is never about blaming the DPS. Many players of all roles are terrible; this is known.

What it's about is people trying to gain special snowflake exemption for healers to put forth less than their full effort just because they actually got grouped with people who play intelligently and need little babysitting.

Players like the OP who are new to the game are not reasonably expected to do anything other than learn the game in general, but it would definitely be unfortunate if even more players read some of the responses around here and walked away with the idea that, while they should expect DPS and tanks to pull their full weight, healers are doing just fine and need not put forth any additional effort as long as they aren't allowing anyone to die...except possibly on the inside, each time the next compulsive overheal sparkles around their nearly-full HP character....

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

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This "discussion" - if it can be called that - wasn't about healers being the cause for slow dungeon runs. It's the case of two typical parties:
Healers who dps and highly recommends others to do so as well
Healers who refuse to dps and tells others not to as well

And then there is this playerbase that got a taste of how good it is to have healer dps present and expect a certain degree in general. This form of meta isn't well accepted by every healer, sadly. It's at the point where this is turning into a religion.

Between the lines one party's encouraging to do so and get the most out of it. The other's encouraging not to "because it's not your job". It's a minmax vs minimalist kind of standpoint where the minimalists are suffering from the stigma called "healer dps"

[Tint]

Healers who refuse to dps and tells others not to as well

i would never tell any other healer to not do dps.

because if the other healer does dps i can solo heal wich is much more fun than cleric dance >.>

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

i would never tell any other healer to not do dps.

because if the other healer does dps i can solo heal wich is much more fun than cleric dance >.>

And what if you're alone due to 4-man content or the other healer's expecting you to dps?