But...I...I don't wanna DPS, I'm a healer...

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

i would never tell any other healer to not do dps.

because if the other healer does dps i can solo heal wich is much more fun than cleric dance >.>

And what if you're alone due to 4-man content or the other healer's expecting you to dps?

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

So they can avoid dpsing themself*
(On mobile and there's no edit button there)

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

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So here's another thing that's commonly forgotten. If healer dps would scare away healers, why would there be roughly as many encouraging healers to deal damage as those who discourage it? If healer dps really does scare away healers, the "balance" of this "discussion" would be tilted more towards many, many posts discouraging healer dps.

There's also the kind of thing where tanks are encouraged to go for strength gear and dps jobs to go for a certain rotation to maximize their output. Which is their equivalent of our whole "discussion" about to dps or not to; getting the most out of the job/role you're playing.

Sadly, all the drama's happening here and not in the other forums. The reasoning for this can be found in my other post on the previous page.

[Fevelle]

"defeatist mindset"

I'm done, bye.

[braneri1]

"defeatist mindset"

I'm done, bye.

There have been countless dozens of very helpful and detailed posts about this topic and yet they were ignored by him. It's not as if putting out damage as a healer is rocket science. All it takes is a good skill setup and practice, maybe a few targeting filters as well if you're on console like me.

[Archaell]

It is not much about phrasing as much about the point of view. I don't believe it is possible to discuss dpsing vs not dpsing as healer in vacuum. There are many additional factors that need to be considered.

So what you are saying is that healers should be accountable for doing dps and using dps abilities? That non-dpsing healer is playing the job poorly?

What about using and not using cleric stance. There is a huge difference in dps with it and without it. Yet it is just one skill. One that makes dpsing worth it or almost waste of time. One that kills your party members or not.

What do you think about dpsing healer who uses all the skills in cleric stance, but lets dps members die in avoidable aoes? Or about dpsing healer who is dpsing almost full-time but kills the tank and dps players?

Edit:

One more question. Do you expect the healer to cover for mistakes of other party members? Because if you expect them to be accountable for dpsing, then healing avoidable damage is no longer part of the job imo.

[Ashkendor]

What do you think about dpsing healer who uses all the skills in cleric stance, but lets dps members die in avoidable aoes? Or about dpsing healer who is dpsing almost full-time but kills the tank and dps players?

Letting the tank die is a bad idea. Letting a DPS die to unavoidable damage is equally bad. If DPS are repeatedly standing in avoidable AoE's, whether it be to "give the healer something to do" or they're just being lazy and not wanting to interrupt their own DPS, they can suck dirt for all I care. I am not your mother. I am not your babysitter. I do not exist for the sole purpose of cleaning up your messes. The floor candy is not delicious so please don't eat it. I understand that there are times that it's unavoidable due to bad positioning or lag, but when I see people standing in the same floor AoE over and over and over again, I just quit healing them. If my fairy is merciful then they may live, but we all know more often than not she's watching Netflix and spamming Embrace on whoever.

[MentheusDreyar]

If my fairy is merciful then they may live, but we all know more often than not she's watching Netflix and spamming Embrace on whoever.

Haha GG

[braneri1]

Yes, I would absolutely say that a healer who doesn't even attempt to put out any dps in the vast majority of content in this game is playing their job poorly. Just as I would say about anyone who is ignoring a bunch of their skills regardless of role. If the healer is fresh and doesn't yet feel comfortable doing so (new to the instance and doesn't know where the damage spikes are or just a new player overall in low level content) that's understandable but with time and practice anyone can do it just fine. It's one thing to be new, adjusting to the learning curve and improving as you go, and an entirely different thing to be purposely stagnant, refusing to use the tools this game gives us in the name of convenience so you can pay more attention to your second screen. Attitude is key.

I'm not sure why you are asking me about Cleric Stance use since that should be a given to turn on before putting out damage and off before going back to healing. Damage skills without Cleric Stance are pitiful just as heals with it are. Even if someone derps it's very fast to switch out, throw them a regen, and switch back.

I would expect healers to cover for the mistakes of others within reason. If someone is repeatedly being dumb getting themselves killed over and over even after being told to be more careful then they can eat all the dirt in the world for all I care. I won't burn all my mp on a deadweight in the middle of a fight. And if they are deliberately standing in avoidable stuff and trolling us they will get a kick. Non-fatal occurrences such as getting hit with aoe that you tried to avoid but were just on the very edge of (which latency can also affect) I just heal quickly and move on. I would be doing the same sort of thing to cover others' mistakes with any role so long as they are not a recurring problem and causing multiple wipes. For example if I'm tanking and someone accidentally gets proximity aggro on something I haven't pulled (like mobs on a patrol route) then I will grab it and adjust as needed, but if they are deliberately running way away from me or pulling groups with skills after I tell them not to (I don't main tanking but I'm more than comfortable enough with them all to manage large pulls without anyone pulling for me, it just makes things messier.) then I will gladly let them die and give them the boot.

[Iris_BP]

Woah, discussion is heating up!
I just don't understand why people freaking out about healers dpsing. There is plenty of content where pretty much all you do is heal, even when you want to dps. Most of middle level dungeons are run without dpsing and really Noone expects dps from a healer on them, the ONLY content where healers have to dps are end game dungeons (two dungeons,omg) that people just want to run faster because of 1xx run. And because they are so ridiculously easy you would have to just stand around for most of the time. And you're expected to dps on ex primal (to a lesser extent actually) and AS. That's it... Everywhere else you can just be a healer without being "tryhards".

P.S. If SE will actually "fix" this "problem" the healer role will be completely ruined for me in this game. So I guess there are two camps of healers afterall