But...I...I don't wanna DPS, I'm a healer...

[braneri1]

The golden age of tank and healer only groups. Yay \o/

Seriously... First worry about dps players whose job is to do dps and yet quite often they do less damage than tanks and healers. Then we can worry about healers who refuse to dps. I know it is easy to think that the healer is responsible for slow dungeons , but as it is right now your average healer is still putting in more effort than your average dps player, so the blame is totally missing the correct target.

If everybody tried to contribute as much as possible that would be blissful.

Yes absolutely dps have more of an effect on that, I was never blaming healers who don't dps for slow runs. My point is that the line of thought people use to say healers should not dps is extremely flawed and a double standard they use to avoid any sort of accountability. It's an excuse to deliberately ignore a great deal of your skill set while expecting others to put out high levels of performance. They think they should have the right to be carried and only heal even when the vast, vast majority of this game requires so little healing it's pathetic. "As long as the content is cleared then who cares?" is the worst attitude to have and that is the reason why I listed some examples of what applying their double standard in a fair way across the board would amount to, which is made even stronger given the high simplicity of many of them (fists of fire for example, one button you press once and you never have to touch it again for an entire instance, which makes up a lot of your damage potential...and yet I come across people who literally refuse to use it even after being asked multiple times and multiple pulls later, as I give people a chance if they just didn't realize it themselves at first; I have even forgotten a few times myself and would be glad for the reminder).

you mean like him?

He already has his mind made up, this is extremely obvious due to his defeatist mindset displayed through his posts here. All he was looking for is an echo chamber.

Oh, so they really managed to ruin the game for someone, because you know, efficiency comes before fun and all that crap.

This is assuming that playing in an efficient manner is inherently opposed to having fun. Great logic there.

"Quit being such a tryhard waaaaah"

[Ghishlain]

because i hate it D: especially the stance dance... so rational it's either stop playing as a healer - wich means for me stop playing FF14 at all because i hate the battle system except healing - or just heal.

okay, in real i am in fact doing DPS, but i don't want it. but even if i don't use any HoTs there is simply nothing to heal. and yeah, i'm not staying there around doing nothing for like 10 seconds. but i hate it : / i want something i can heal, not dps o.o/

Rational? I don't know if that's rational, but I started playing a healer to heal. I'm ok with doing DPS, but NOT ok with people expecting it from you like it's some type of rule on the game's ToS.

Then unfortunately, from a healer standpoint, this game isn't for you. The healer meta is more than a "Heal only" meta because of the way S-E has designed the game.

• The game has high potency outgoing healing and low yield incoming damage. It's very easy for heals to outpace the oncoming damage and require minimal healing in sporadic intervals.
• Healers have an ability that gives them an magic attack stat comparable to their DPS brethren. While their DPS skills aren't on the same level as a real DPS, they can still offload very potent numbers when played properly.

With the way S-E has designed this game, once you acquire a certain skill and gear level, there is little else to do as a healer but to make use of the rest of your toolkit - AKA, their DPS abilities. But choosing to ignore this aspect of your kit in a situation where you can make complete use of it, you're indirectly hampering the performance of the party.

The mark of a good healer is adaptability. Any healer worth their salt knows how to adapt to a situation regardless of the game they play. When I played WoW in the Burning Crusade era, there was little time to do anything BUT heal in raids because if the tank wasn't fully topped, a random crit spike can potentially one shot your tank. They designed their game where you NEEDED three healers healing your solo tank to prevent a wipe. That's a meta more suitable to these kind of comments.

In the FFXIV healing meta, there are lots of instances of downtime for a healer once they and their party are sufficiently geared and at these junctures they should be making use of their DPS skills to accelerate the pace of the activity.

As I've stated in the comment that was replied to - there is little reason to not make use of the rest of your toolkit unless you choose not to. Again, I reiterate - I understand that comfort level is a factor and any new healer to an instance should take time to gain that familiarity and gauge their party. Once they've hit beyond that?

...well, again, I will also reiterate I have yet to hear of a good reason to not DPS. "I don't want to" is a comment made by an unadaptable player which in my mind is something I personally frown upon but won't really openly begrudge either as long as the party is flowing forward at a good pace.

With that being said - Adapt to the meta you're given or fall into obscurity. That is your decision to make.

They don't have to? Maybe they don't feel comfortable and want to stay focused solely on healing, because they are learning. I'm sure some are lazy, but that's their choice. As long as you're all alive til the end complaining is silly.

I've already stated in my original comment about comfort level. Just to restate that since it was clearly missed.

I can understand being new and uncomfortable initially - this makes a lot of sense.

So, please enlighten me - what good reason does anyone have to not DPS as a healer when they're over geared for the situation? There has yet to be any reason outside of "I don't feel like it" or "I'm lazy" and there have been many points to the "I'm Lazy" discussion already.

Also, I'm not really complaining about the whole thing. As I mentioned earlier in this post, if you don't want to DPS and you're in my party, I'll just shrug it off and keep going. I'm just curious to hear what rational a "Heal only" healer has outside of "I don't want to" or "I'm lazy". Both are those indicate inflexibility and no desire to become a better player. Players advocating DPS advocate that because they want to see the player base grow in skill. Admittedly, some these "advocates" are too petty and aggressive about it (but that argument can be made on the "Nope, not gonna DPS" camp too).

[RaizeGraymalkin]

The question I have to ask to all the players who defend a "Heal only" position - what rational do you have to only need to heal someone once every 6-8 GCDs? I can understand being new and uncomfortable initially - this makes a lot of sense. But when you're experienced and over geared, why not contribute more? I have yet to see a solid reason to why someone shouldn't DPS when the majority of damage in this game comes from high scripted and predictable patterns.

They don't have to? Maybe they don't feel comfortable and want to stay focused solely on healing, because they are learning. I'm sure some are lazy, but that's their choice. As long as you're all alive til the end complaining is silly.

[Cynfael]

They don't have to? Maybe they don't feel comfortable and want to stay focused solely on healing, because they are learning. I'm sure some are lazy, but that's their choice. As long as you're all alive til the end complaining is silly.

1. Laziness in a multiplayer game is indefensible.

2. Players who are learning aren't expected to know what to do from Day One and are largely exempt from the current discussion.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

If this idiocy keeps up, some dps will be inspired some day to just stand there and auto attack because that's the bare minimum as their job as a "dps role"

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

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This "discussion" - if it can be called that - wasn't about healers being the cause for slow dungeon runs. It's the case of two typical parties:
Healers who dps and highly recommends others to do so as well
Healers who refuse to dps and tells others not to as well

And then there is this playerbase that got a taste of how good it is to have healer dps present and expect a certain degree in general. This form of meta isn't well accepted by every healer, sadly. It's at the point where this is turning into a religion.

Between the lines one party's encouraging to do so and get the most out of it. The other's encouraging not to "because it's not your job". It's a minmax vs minimalist kind of standpoint where the minimalists are suffering from the stigma called "healer dps"

[Tint]

Healers who refuse to dps and tells others not to as well

i would never tell any other healer to not do dps.

because if the other healer does dps i can solo heal wich is much more fun than cleric dance >.>

[Archaell]

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I am not sure that you can call it a snowflake anymore, because it gets dragged through too much shi...

Agree on the point that nobody should stand idle and do nothing, just pointing out that dpsing healers are covering other problems that should be fixed first.

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Look at it from DF perspective. Do you want to scare even more healers away from the queues? Healer that only heals is still better than healer who started to play dps jobs due to screwing up while trying to dps.

I am not sure if expecting healers to dps as some sort of norm is a good idea. Healer damage should be an extra - which few posters mentioned. It is same as expecting mass pulls from a tank who can't handle it. It leads to issues and not everyone is battle hardened enough to deal with enraged randoms.

So yeah... This religion of not dpsing healers is mainly here to keep our healers healing instead of scaring them away imo

[Tint]

So yeah... This religion of not dpsing healers is mainly here to keep our healers healing instead of scaring them away imo

you mean like him?

Thanks for all the input guys, but I really think I should find somewhere else to play. Enjoy your gaming guys, I had a kinda fun month here. :-)

[Fevelle]

you mean like him?

Oh, so they really managed to ruin the game for someone, because you know, efficiency comes before fun and all that crap.