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    Eii's Avatar
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    Kikisha Kisha
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    Shiva
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    Warrior Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by AllegroSymphonic View Post
    Its like when I see Tanks with all Slaying gear and i get tired of having to overheal to keep up
    no, you have to healspam them b/c they refuse to use their cds, not b/c of slaying gear. theres rarely any need for vitality gear in 3.0 (same as 2.x), outside of alex savage ofc, but even there its highly debatable b/c of your ever increasing ilvl.

    we are at a point where we just have to admit that this is a game thats just absolutely not designed for the trinity system, yet still somewhat refuses to let it go. almost no dmg on tank outside tankbusters (and savage) and if the trashmobs in normal dungeons would do even less dmg, they would render your healers completly useless. period.
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    Sadako Yamamura
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    Quote Originally Posted by AllegroSymphonic View Post
    Here is my thing. You are a healer. Thats it. Theres a reason you have a dang green background for your class/job. I do not make myself DPS no matter the cost. If you get yelled at for DPSing in endgame stuff, thats not your fault. You are a HEALER not a dps. Its like when I see Tanks with all Slaying gear and i get tired of having to overheal to keep up because they refuse to be a dang tank. DPSing is a side thing, not a required one. Its nice to have, but don't feel forced to make up for overall low party DPS.
    Refusing to DPS is one thing, but also refusing to actually heal a bit more - Which you explicitly mentioned it's your job - as well? The tank's job is to attract attention of monsters and take damage. The moment you get assaulted by everything and their mum, then you can complain the tank's not doing their job. If you're not healing a tank because they're a bit more damage oriented and you refuse to keep them alive, you're the one not doing your job.
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    Ghishlain Pyrial
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    Mateus
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    Quote Originally Posted by AllegroSymphonic View Post
    Its like when I see Tanks with all Slaying gear and i get tired of having to overheal to keep up because they refuse to be a dang tank.
    Tanks in Slaying don't need any over healing. You just need to begin healing them sooner because they have a lower HP cap. You'll still be healing at the same time.

    Tanks in Slaying / Hybrid allow them to DPS harder, which means (1) they generate more hate and (2) things die faster than normal, just reducing the overall healing requirement for the fight.

    This is the same argument for a healer DPS. Healer's DPSing can shorten the fight length and thus reduce overall healing requirement (admittedly, you do use more MP to do this more often than naught).

    Are either required? No, not for 99% of the content out there. Are they nice to have? Most certainly. Are they things players should strive for to maximize their performance? Most definitely.
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    Sacrilege Moonshadow
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    Quote Originally Posted by AllegroSymphonic View Post
    Here is my thing. You are a healer. Thats it. Theres a reason you have a dang green background for your class/job. I do not make myself DPS no matter the cost. If you get yelled at for DPSing in endgame stuff, thats not your fault. You are a HEALER not a dps. Its like when I see Tanks with all Slaying gear and i get tired of having to overheal to keep up because they refuse to be a dang tank. DPSing is a side thing, not a required one. Its nice to have, but don't feel forced to make up for overall low party DPS.
    Sadly, many players still think like this.

    Once you start looking beyond role labels and start looking at resources such as mitigation, HP pools, DPS potential, and time spent performing actions, you can do extremely well.

    Things like categorically refusing to DPS as a healer or even automatically assuming that tanks using Slaying accessories will be bad at their job really hold players back and make the game appear more cookie-cutter than it arguably already is.
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    Kabz Il
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    Quote Originally Posted by AllegroSymphonic View Post
    If you get yelled at for DPSing in endgame stuff, thats not your fault. You are a HEALER not a dps.
    So with this ideology, tanks can spam flash and hold aggro and do nothing but mitigate, while healers can top up tanks and then stand idle. Good luck even getting in endgame stuff with that mindset. ;D

    What worries me even more is this is coming from an 'Arcanist', not a Conjurer or that other healer. xD
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    Karuru Karu
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    Shiva
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabzy View Post
    What worries me even more is this is coming from an 'Arcanist', not a Conjurer or that other healer. xD
    your profile also says you are an arcanist. are you an arcanist? i don't think so. he is probably a scholar. the option to show your job in the profile was only implementet a few month ago. before that there where only classes. and you have to change your profile by hand to show your job.
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    Karis Angara
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tint View Post
    your profile also says you are an arcanist. are you an arcanist? i don't think so. he is probably a scholar. the option to show your job in the profile was only implementet a few month ago. before that there where only classes. and you have to change your profile by hand to show your job.
    That's not the point, the point is that arcanists (and, by extension) scholars are very DPS-y by nature and thus it's stranger to hear an arcanist-based healer be so averse to DPSing.

    As a scholar, you have 28 base skills. 9 of these are directly DPS-related. Why anyone would choose to ignore a third of their job's skillset is beyond me.
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    Feli Aiko
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    Odin
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by seekified View Post
    That's not the point, the point is that arcanists (and, by extension) scholars are very DPS-y by nature and thus it's stranger to hear an arcanist-based healer be so averse to DPSing.

    As a scholar, you have 28 base skills. 9 of these are directly DPS-related. Why anyone would choose to ignore a third of their job's skillset is beyond me.
    This right here is pretty much why the healer DPS meta is always going to remain (barring an overhaul of fight design and/or itemisation). While the other healers got a few DPS skills, none of them got the luxury of having a DPS base class, plus a partner (fairy) that's always healing even when you're not. No reason not to take advantage really when you consider those points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tint View Post
    your profile also says you are an arcanist. are you an arcanist? i don't think so. he is probably a scholar. the option to show your job in the profile was only implementet a few month ago. before that there where only classes. and you have to change your profile by hand to show your job.
    That's my point exactly. For those of us who didn't bother updating our job profiles, and are posting on the healer forums as an Arcanist, you are most likely a Scholar. Aka the healer that uses their DPS the most out of the three. So for an Arcanist (Scholar) to say they don't want to do anything but heal is even more shocking to me. Consideration to the fact that our base class was a DPS; so to completely disregard all those spells you get seems like a great injustice to such a versatile job.

    Though just to make it clear, I was only saying that in regards to him talking about end game content. I couldn't care less if healers (even Scholars) decide to not DPS in any other content.
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    Elishan Rosewood
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    Odin
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    Conjurer Lv 30
    I don't really get all the debate - I've only been playing a few days admittedly but essentially - If you can do some DPS, do it, but don't risk missing an important heal because of it.

    Dungeon clears faster, mind numbing boredom doesn't set in, and you're contributing more to the party.

    Full disclosure: I've totally messed up and had the tank die on me because I miss-timed the Aero GCD. That wasn't a bad thing, it was a valuable lesson (and bless the poor sod, he didn't complain).
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