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  1. #1
    Player Selli's Avatar
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    Selli Noblesse
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    Gilgamesh
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Fourbestintoner View Post
    I had a thaumaturge like you once in Sastasha, he wouldn't stop healing the tank with his 50hp cure because I would let the tank drop to 15-20% hp before instantly healing him with swiftcast+cure. I was laughing so hard, it was hilarious.
    You should definitely start healing to see how easy it is and have a little more confidence in your healers.
    I had something like this once in low level roulette.

    Got Tam-Tara, I'm on a SCH so I leave Eos to solo heal. The ACN in the party isn't DPSing at all, just constantly spamming his heal on the tank. I tell him that my fairy has it and the tank is fine and not to worry.

    And he says, "I'm practicing for SCH."

    "Well. If you really want to practice being a SCH, then you should be DPSing."

    And then the tank says, "Lol. I think they're trying to vote kick you."

    They didn't kick me, but we did kick them. 3 manned the dungeon and it went by faster than it had been previously.
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    Greven's Avatar
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    Chris Von'greven
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    Ragnarok
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by PriestAlseid View Post
    My DPS suffers enough when I'm running SMN because I usually end up having to help heal, so I'm worried about actually playing my SCH which I'm avoiding now because I'm intimidated completely by the whole healing thing here. I'm thinking I'll just stay SMN and not be a healer, just cause right now doing everything is a scary concept. I don't actually enjoy DPS, but oh well, it's either that or stop playing and I don't really wanna stop playing.
    Well, Healing as SCH during the levelling part is like the easiest thing as the fairies can do most of the job by theirselves XD healers even have faster queues!
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    Jamillion's Avatar
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    Calypso Celeste
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    Lamia
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    As a stance-dancing scholar, I get slightly annoyed when my tank pops HG at 30% HP on trash. It would drive me nuts to have some summoner struggling to top people off constantly when I'm pouring out DPS. If I was worried about a pull I wouldn't have swiftcasted shadowflare ffs.
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    technole's Avatar
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    Thea Sitori
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    Gilgamesh
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    Scholar Lv 72
    Quote Originally Posted by Jamillion View Post
    As a stance-dancing scholar, I get slightly annoyed when my tank pops HG at 30% HP on trash. It would drive me nuts to have some summoner struggling to top people off constantly when I'm pouring out DPS. If I was worried about a pull I wouldn't have swiftcasted shadowflare ffs.
    You shouldn't be annoyed, like I may make the big pull and plan to use Hallowed Ground as part of the early cooldown rotation if I know the healer is going for big dps to allow my HP to drop as low as needed so they don't have to frantically recover. So that is actually a good sign, compared to a tank that just saves these only for an emergencies, versus using it early where you can get to use maybe 2-3x in a dungeon setting.

    Like Neverreap. Make the entire island pull, plan to use HG if the DPS is good with everyone and healer. It'll be back up for the bees section, if needed for final sting. Now tell me who doesn't want a tank that uses their cooldowns to their best potential?
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    Calypso Celeste
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    Quote Originally Posted by technole View Post
    *snip*
    I don't actually get really annoyed it's just that on small trash pulls it's a waste of HG. On the really big pulls I'll typically have 5 lustrates stacked anyway. I had a really good run of Neverreap with a well geared tank where I was able to CS about 75% of the run so I definitely appreciate a tank that can use cds optimally.
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    Ashkendor Zahirr
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    Balmung
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by PriestAlseid View Post
    My DPS suffers enough when I'm running SMN because I usually end up having to help heal, so I'm worried about actually playing my SCH which I'm avoiding now because I'm intimidated completely by the whole healing thing here. I'm thinking I'll just stay SMN and not be a healer, just cause right now doing everything is a scary concept. I don't actually enjoy DPS, but oh well, it's either that or stop playing and I don't really wanna stop playing.
    Don't do this. Please don't do this. Trust the healer to do their job. If they've proven to be incompetent, vote kick is a thing. If you queued as SMN, you need to be DPS'ing. Having a SMN playing at being a healer just bogs things down even more.

    In any case, you aren't required to DPS as a healer but it certainly does give you a lot more to do. The way this game's healing is set up, there will inevitably be times when you are either spamming cure on a tank that's at 99% hp to keep them topped off or you will simply be standing around for short periods of time because nobody needs heals. Overhealing is an awful way to go about things because it generates massive amounts of aggro, and if you stand around while nobody needs healing some people will assume you're watching Netflix or something. As a healer, I routinely let the tank drop to 30-40% while I DPS but I keep a close eye on how fast they are losing hp. The tank doesn't need to be at 90%+ hps all the time; as long as they don't die, it's all good. :3

    It's understandable that you'd be hesitant with DPS initially. I think most of us were. Just focus on your job (healing) for the time being and as you get more comfortable with your class/role, you'll find that DPS comes naturally. Scholar is a wonderfully set up class!
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    Last edited by Ashkendor; 10-13-2015 at 08:15 AM.

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    Eii's Avatar
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    Kikisha Kisha
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    Shiva
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    Warrior Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Ashkendor View Post
    and if you stand around while nobody needs healing some people will assume you're watching Netflix or something.
    well let them?

    but if i have to chose between heal dps and mega-speed-full-dps pulls i chose the latter. just pop dps stance, pull complete hall from start till next mandatory break b/c wall/boss and use all cd with an alternative dps use as just that: a dps boost. heals can now finally heal smth, i can now dps and eos can still somehow outdps that blm who just wont stop talking abt how awesomly godlike his single-digit-dps are (srsly, weapon first, not 200 chestpiece + 150 nq white npc weapon. dafuq dude? *randomrantcausereasons*)
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    PriestAlseid's Avatar
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    Alseid Reneau
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    Diabolos
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    Scholar Lv 53
    "As a healer you SHOULD be DPSing otherwise you're lazy, but if you're a DPS trust your heals and don't help them out."

    Kind of a double standard there guys, don't you think? If I don't DPS as a healer I'm lazy, but if I help heal when I'm not a healer, that's bad. I don't really get that, but okay, I guess I'll just find my own little niche, whatever and wherever that is. Thanks for all the input guys, but I really think I should find somewhere else to play. Enjoy your gaming guys, I had a kinda fun month here. :-)
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    SecretCrowds's Avatar
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    Cerys Fairbairn
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    Tonberry
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by PriestAlseid View Post
    "As a healer you SHOULD be DPSing otherwise you're lazy, but if you're a DPS trust your heals and don't help them out."

    Kind of a double standard there guys, don't you think? If I don't DPS as a healer I'm lazy, but if I help heal when I'm not a healer, that's bad. I don't really get that, but okay, I guess I'll just find my own little niche, whatever and wherever that is. Thanks for all the input guys, but I really think I should find somewhere else to play. Enjoy your gaming guys, I had a kinda fun month here. :-)
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    Cynfael's Avatar
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    Sacrilege Moonshadow
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    Hyperion
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    Black Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by PriestAlseid View Post
    "As a healer you SHOULD be DPSing otherwise you're lazy, but if you're a DPS trust your heals and don't help them out."

    Kind of a double standard there guys, don't you think? If I don't DPS as a healer I'm lazy, but if I help heal when I'm not a healer, that's bad. I don't really get that, but okay, I guess I'll just find my own little niche, whatever and wherever that is. Thanks for all the input guys, but I really think I should find somewhere else to play. Enjoy your gaming guys, I had a kinda fun month here. :-)
    Good luck with whatever you do.

    To address your point briefly, the double standard has justification: unnecessary healing is useless at best, detrimental at worst. However, there is rarely such a thing as unnecessary damage.

    Further, GCDs spent on DPS casting their extremely weak heals = GCDs not spent doing damage. Healers DPS far, far better than any DPS can heal.
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