Monk's Heavensward abilities

[Adire]

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Relax dude. Someone already posted a parse they did testing it, though said post was deleted, I've concluded that my parses must have been inaccurate, as I mentioned was a high possibility in a previous post. I play The Secret World in addition to this and it's likely my setup for that is interfering with my setup for FFXIV. Hence why my numbers were showing incorrectly, hence why I thought FoF was such a miserable increase to DPS (but still acknowledged my numbers could be inaccurate in a previous post).

And I will correct you. What I meant was I did 5 attempts with FoF on. I did 5 attempts with it off. I compared each attempt. On one of my FoF on attempts, I had a disconnect, hence why I mentioned that result as being off. One botched FoF on attempt, 4 non-botched FoF on attempts. There was no "screwing of the pooch" as you word it involved.

As badly as you seem to want to believe otherwise, I can assure you I know how to do a proper rotation. I even frequently get compliments on my DPS. So yeah....don't jump the gun and assume what other people's meanings are, it makes you look silly. The fact that your immediate assumption was that I only managed 4 successful parses out of 10 because of my failure at playing monk is insulting.

But if it tickles your pickle and makes you feel proud, yes, I'll say you were right about how much dps FoF adds, it is noticeable. I'm more than happy to admit when I'm wrong about something, even if the reason I'm wrong was due to the base information being flawed and being out of my control until having a way to discover it was flawed.

Prior to this discussion, I've been going off launch numbers and my own parses because I had no reason to do otherwise. This discussion has enlightened me to the fact that what I've suspected for a while (due to other small bugs showing as well), my installation being corrupted, is true.

You were all right, I was wrong, thanks to a software glitch. The condescending attitudes and passive aggressive responses I was greeted with for simply stating something I was incorrect about, but something that all the information I had about from launch statistics and my own (corrupted) parses support, was unnecessary, but well, we're on the official forums after all. Anyone who was present for launch should know that DRGs were parsing highest for a time, my parses were incorrectly showing FoF's affect on my dps, so when I looked at monk only getting a 3% damage buff and after not keeping up with recent parses since I play this casually and stopped checking on the current top parses after launch, can you really blame me for thinking how I did?

With FoF's effects on my dps showing incorrectly and far lower than it should be and not suspecting that of all things, FoF was something specifically bugged in my installation, I had every reason to believe 3% to be extremely insignificant, and with it being the only raw dps increase for monk since launch, and with parses being considerably different at launch, you can put 2 and 2 together to see where my reasoning was coming from and why I was very skeptical.

I had a similar discussion with some people in my LS earlier, they told me similar things to what was said here by you fine folks, without the attitudes (and now swearing?). A shame for you particularly, because prior to the last couple of posts, particularly this one, you've been pretty non-confrontational, unlike trailmix whose first words to me was a stern, condescending "Let's get one thing straight". But yeah, you were right. Hopefully that brightens your day some. I'm done with this thread though, no reason for me to stick around now. Thanks for helping me clearly figure out my install is borked more than I realized at least, I guess. I was wondering a little if there were more things than I realized going wrong with it for a while.

Oh, and for the record, the person who showed the results of their tests did only 8 tests (4 with FoF, 4 without), yet the difference between their results with FoF on vs off was quite high. So there's no need for this burden of proof nonsense. I provided what I could, someone else provided what they could, the differences demonstrated something was off with my results. Thankfully, some people work with others to figure things out rather than yell "burden of proof!" at everything and sit on their hands. What good would me fulfilling your burden of proof demands have done if I had done all the testing? None at all, because my installation was corrupted. It would have caused incorrect information to be spread actually. A perfect testing method doing it hundreds of times on my part would have looked great, but still would have shown incorrect information because of my installation being flawed.

[Shurrikhan]

I no longer mind Chakra as I used to, because I've found places in my rotation to use it in order to replace my DK or Twin literally within the last quarter second without losing the buff, losing no rotational dps and eventually getting enough Chakra for a spare Forbidden Chakra or, more often, Purification.

That said, I'll agree that all of the abilities are a tad disappointing. I really hate it when an ability is just obviously leagues better than a more specialized version of the same -- Elixir Field is exactly that compared to Howling Fist. Our "Fists of" are still painfully lackluster, and the personal-only benefits of Wind and Earth and the long animation lock of swapping effectively lock us into Fire especially now that we could be charging Chakra on the run. Meditation feels pretty clunky, though I can't think of better alternative systems off the top of my head, especially since it is technically combat-viable under low ping and certain skill speed plateaus. Form Shift feels clunky mostly just in that it consumes the full GCD, making it never usable in combat (except to save TP for performing solely Rockbuster and the occasional Twin in AoE spams), whereas it could otherwise have some rare rotational and GL-emergency benefits. Skill Speed is now a waste stat even at fairly high levels compared to Critical Strike because it (1) scales exponentially, (2) secondary stats have lesser effect in general by i200 at l60 than at, say, i85 at l50, [both near the end of first raid-tier], (3) it's just shittily scaled, and (4) still doesn't affect AA or oGCD damage [which should be its excuse for having great effects on high direct-damage classes like Monk, yet its poor even on its otherwise most ideal job].

[Ossom]

Monks got a lot of DPS improvements from heavensward and the following patches so far.

Demolish Duration Increase. Shoulder Tackle fix. Elixer Drive. Forbidden Chakra. Purification. GL duration increase. 3% Dmg buff. Tornado Kick.

I think we got a lot more stuff than many other classes.

Just to put in perspective about how good Shoulder Tackle is, notice how Howling Fist is 170 Potency every Minute, Shoulder Tackle is 100 Potency every 30 Seconds. You can treat the shoulder tackle the same as them buffing Howling Fist to 370 Potency every Minute. I personally think that's just.. just so swell.