How would you feel if they scrapped the current "classes"?

[darkstarpoet1]

nobody that i know requires any other classes to level at all besides their main class. i do, however, give ideas on some things to do that will help you in different situations. this does not remove the playability of the other classes, but they have uses when you are on your main.

say you want to go to coerthas and farm antelope horns. these are items that would be nice to have in your main.
Cure II, Sacrifice II, Second Wind II, Shell, Protect, Shock Spikes, Skull Sunder II, Shrieker, Concussive Blow II. now by what you are proposing most classes have no ability to go and farm horns by themselves so you take that part of the game away from those people which is unfair to them. by being able to level multiple classes you can build your character to suit your needs which is what i prefer. if you want to use a class and only use the abilities for that class only on it then that is your decision.

what people don't get is the people that like this system is one of the reasons we are still in the game. we are not telling you how to play your game so please stop telling us how to play ours.

i know personally if they removed the option to customize my character and made me use some stupid premade class it will become just another crap game with no content so i would be one of the first people to leave the game even though i have hundreds of hours logged. do not punish the people that enjoy the game and put the hours into it to make the game more fun for them. i use the being able to make the class what i need it to be and take the time to level multiple classes to do that.

[Alexzander]

nobody that i know requires any other classes to level at all besides their main class. i do, however, give ideas on some things to do that will help you in different situations. this does not remove the playability of the other classes, but they have uses when you are on your main.

say you want to go to coerthas and farm antelope horns. these are items that would be nice to have in your main.
Cure II, Sacrifice II, Second Wind II, Shell, Protect, Shock Spikes, Skull Sunder II, Shrieker, Concussive Blow II. now by what you are proposing most classes have no ability to go and farm horns by themselves so you take that part of the game away from those people which is unfair to them. by being able to level multiple classes you can build your character to suit your needs which is what i prefer. if you want to use a class and only use the abilities for that class only on it then that is your decision.

what people don't get is the people that like this system is one of the reasons we are still in the game. we are not telling you how to play your game so please stop telling us how to play ours.

i know personally if they removed the option to customize my character and made me use some stupid premade class it will become just another crap game with no content so i would be one of the first people to leave the game even though i have hundreds of hours logged. do not punish the people that enjoy the game and put the hours into it to make the game more fun for them. i use the being able to make the class what i need it to be and take the time to level multiple classes to do that.

i agree with kimarhi on this one. most people who left the game are not fond of this system and i am included on this. there are still ways to go about farming since you can farm when your at the highest rank or farm with friends that also need the items if they are too hard to fight alone. they need to fix the quality of the classes i think. i would much rather they make the game that appeals to a broader version of ff fans than to keep the game in such a way that still prevents past ff fans from enjoying this game as well

[darkstarpoet1]

i agree with kimarhi on this one. most people who left the game are not fond of this system and i am included on this. there are still ways to go about farming since you can farm when your at the highest rank or farm with friends that also need the items if they are too hard to fight alone. they need to fix the quality of the classes i think. i would much rather they make the game that appeals to a broader version of ff fans than to keep the game in such a way that still prevents past ff fans from enjoying this game as well

i'm sorry if you do not like it then leave and go back to xi since that seems to be the game everyone wants to turn this into. the people that left this game are not leaving because you can make a class any way you want it. they are leaving because this game has a severe lack of content and any reasonable story to get you involved in. if you don't believe me ask almost anyone with high level characters and they will tell you they are bored of grinding, leves, crafting on a ever repeating cycle with nothing else to do in game. i'll bet you that 90% at least will tell you that. the ones that don't will tell you the game is ok and they are just waiting on the new content to be added before they get back into the game heavily.

once again i gave a list of abilities that would be useful i did not say use all the abilities yourself so just get off your high horse.

[Kimahri]

i'm sorry if you do not like it then leave and go back to xi since that seems to be the game everyone wants to turn this into. the people that left this game are not leaving because you can make a class any way you want it. they are leaving because this game has a severe lack of content and any reasonable story to get you involved in. if you don't believe me ask almost anyone with high level characters and they will tell you they are bored of grinding, leves, crafting on a ever repeating cycle with nothing else to do in game. i'll bet you that 90% at least will tell you that. the ones that don't will tell you the game is ok and they are just waiting on the new content to be added before they get back into the game heavily.

once again i gave a list of abilities that would be useful i did not say use all the abilities yourself so just get off your high horse.

Whoa. Wait a minute. Don't bash this dude and tell him to leave simply because of his opinion. I can see people leaving the game based on the armoury system as a lack of content in the classes. Right now you're basically acting snoddy because people feel the same. I didn't jump in your face, Darkstar, when me and you finally started talking this out.....Sadly I can't speak for myself when it came to Gifthorse so if you'll please excuse me on that guy. Right now I want everyone happy, and the only way we're going to do this is if we find a middle ground for us all to stand.

I just read Jennestia's last post about Poppa's proposal and I've seen many posts regarding the one I have that's similar to Poppa's. Even though she has an opinion, I'm not telling her to step off....Looking at it now with the way she put it....It sort of changes my mind right now about even my implementation of a conversion of the basic class into the advanced class. Simply because Her, I, and Alexzander all three feel that the access to all these abilities despite a select few really defeats the purpose of the system making a class feel unique.

[darkstarpoet1]

Whoa. Wait a minute. Don't bash this dude and tell him to leave simply because of his opinion. I can see people leaving the game based on the armoury system as a lack of content in the classes. Right now you're basically acting snoddy because people feel the same. I didn't jump in your face, Darkstar, when me and you finally started talking this out.....Sadly I can't speak for myself when it came to Gifthorse so if you'll please excuse me on that guy. Right now I want everyone happy, and the only way we're going to do this is if we find a middle ground for us all to stand.

I just read Jennestia's last post about Poppa's proposal and I've seen many posts regarding the one I have that's similar to Poppa's. Even though she has an opinion, I'm not telling her to step off....Looking at it now with the way she put it....It sort of changes my mind right now about even my implementation of a conversion of the basic class into the advanced class. Simply because Her, I, and Alexzander all three feel that the access to all these abilities despite a select few really defeats the purpose of the system making a class feel unique.

i did not come at him because he disagrees with how he feels the game is. i came back at him because he called me out personally by name bashing the way i play my game. i play my game the way the system is setup. and you are right you and i disagree, but we did it while tryin to look at the views the other has and that i do respect.

now if you want to go by not very final fantasyish why don't you go to the most popular final fantasy and that was VII you had the ability to use any ability you had and people loved that about the game. i wouldn't mind if we could use all abilities from all classes since in the end it is still your character. my character learned this ability and i want to use it. if you want to knock down the abilities usefulness such as cure is lower on mele classes since they dun use a wand that would be fine with me, but if someone uses magic and has magic then they should be able to use magic.

i do agree with you guys in the sense that classes need to be more unique and as i said earlier that would be handled by addiing class exclusive abilities through the guilds for each class. that would allow you to add any number of abilities that would make that class unique which is what you guys are wanting. i understand that and am not arguing that fact. the only thing i said is i loved being able to use the abilities that i have EARNED the right to use. the game used being able to do what you want with your character as one of it's selling points and it is the reason i got it.

[Kimahri]

i did not come at him because he disagrees with how he feels the game is. i came back at him because he called me out personally by name bashing the way i play my game. i play my game the way the system is setup. and you are right you and i disagree, but we did it while tryin to look at the views the other has and that i do respect.

now if you want to go by not very final fantasyish why don't you go to the most popular final fantasy and that was VII you had the ability to use any ability you had and people loved that about the game. i wouldn't mind if we could use all abilities from all classes since in the end it is still your character. my character learned this ability and i want to use it. if you want to knock down the abilities usefulness such as cure is lower on mele classes since they dun use a wand that would be fine with me, but if someone uses magic and has magic then they should be able to use magic.

i do agree with you guys in the sense that classes need to be more unique and as i said earlier that would be handled by addiing class exclusive abilities through the guilds for each class. that would allow you to add any number of abilities that would make that class unique which is what you guys are wanting. i understand that and am not arguing that fact. the only thing i said is i loved being able to use the abilities that i have EARNED the right to use. the game used being able to do what you want with your character as one of it's selling points and it is the reason i got it.

Totally agree with you that FF7 is the best one out there in terms of storyline game. Now here's where I defer, but don't worry I see something there in your post I'll get back to that I like. FF7 had these same abilities, yes, but you need to remember that it was just you playing. Not a large group of people. While it worked in a 1-player RPG ten years ago, doesn't mean it'll work the same in an MMO.

If you turned Cloud into a bad*** striker that could also slaughter foes with his Bolt 3, then that was your choice on the platform RPG. It had no others to compete with in terms of other players that you could play with. What I'm trying to say is that if everyone levels Cloud like you did, then this game would totally resent itself in it's attempt to create a variety of unique qualities. If everyone could use become a heavy striker and also slaughter with Tier 3 spells, wouldn't that seem as a crutch in the long run of this game? I guess what I'm trying to say again is that too much freedom of choice leads to the best possible choices that people tend to gimmick.

Now where I do agree with you is that they need to make some better damn abilities that you can obtain through guild marks. Quite frankly as I said I only see one good one and that's the Conjurer's Fast Cast. And I also hope you agree with me that weaponskills should also be used exclusively to that certain class and/or weapon.

Edit: Also I want you to also think about this....A way people would gimmick others in FFXI was to copy off their gear. Now this would also be a concern with FFXIV on top of, not everyone, but most people copying off abilities and then gear.

[Alexzander]

sorry i forgot to mention the list of moves you have darkstar. to me its not a unique quality when i see a wide range of tier two magic cures and tier two physical moves on top of buffing spells. it looks like i might as well be a juggler since im using so many different abilities that are not my own. just dont like it. and from ff people i know they dont as well.