no heal skill

[Misurugi]

don't know if this should go into the dps role area or not but is it just me or does anyone else notice mch do not have their own heal skill.... i mean brd, nin, drg, and war have second wind pld has cure and clemency blm and smn get physic ... and mch gets nothing, wat the hell SE ... so quality of life for mch can we also cross class with mnk PLZ.... or at least give mch their own heal skill, i've played as every class and any amount of ability to alleviate healers to not have to constantly watch the dps is better healing for the tanks

[bounddreamer]

The fact that machinists can't cross class from monk makes me really sad. Internal release/second wind are SO helpful.

[Malevicton]

As a blm, I'll trade physick for a dps skill any day. It's basically a wasted cross class spot; it's uses limited to a niche role in a handful of main scenario quests.

"any amount of ability to alleviate healers"

If that's how you're using it, please stop. If you're grouped with a healer you have 0 reason to touch your healing spells as a dps.

[Mwynn]

If that's how you're using it, please stop. If you're grouped with a healer you have 0 reason to touch your healing spells as a dps.

Alexander Floor 1 .. Opressor and 0.5 are jumping and you run to the opposite where they will crash. The Time it takes for them to land is a huge Time Gap, which of course ... you could use for Healing your Mates.
Espescially when one of the DPS failed to kill one of the Adds under the Laser and the big Missile just exploded...
Tell me, the moment one of the HLR has around 1-2k HP because of this, would you rather use 2-3 Physics (My BLM does 400-450 each Physics) or just stand around doing nothing?

[Ashkendor]

Alexander Floor 1 .. Opressor and 0.5 are jumping and you run to the opposite where they will crash. The Time it takes for them to land is a huge Time Gap, which of course ... you could use for Healing your Mates.
Espescially when one of the DPS failed to kill one of the Adds under the Laser and the big Missile just exploded...
Tell me, the moment one of the HLR has around 1-2k HP because of this, would you rather use 2-3 Physics (My BLM does 400-450 each Physics) or just stand around doing nothing?

Any good healer worries about themselves first so if you're going to heal anyone in that situation you should probably heal yourself. As a healer, if I have a choice between me dying and a DPS dying, I make sure to find a moment to raise the DPS.

[Malevicton]

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99% of the time that that happens, you're just gonna cause overhealing. That's an aoe heal situation and you're single target healing, meaning one person will be getting disproportionately higher heals, which will just be overhealing. You're just gonna make it look like your healer was overhealing more than they were, just so you could pretend like you were contributing. You also can't maintain ui through the whole jump, meaning you'll have less mp when it lands and your rotation is gonna be skewed, either by getting less fires or by wasting a gcd opening with blizz to get back on track.

You're example is also predicated on people failing mechanics. It's not a bad idea to have back up plans, but plan A should be your dps not being awful (especially if we're talking about normal mode... there are only 2 missiles, that's a particular level of awful; we shouldn't be assuming this is a legitimate reason because if it is then the player base has bigger problems and we should deal with those first).

So yeah, I'll actually stand around doing nothing. Trying to do something will accomplish nothing, and will adversely affect my ability to do the thing that's my actual responsibility. Trust your healer to handle healing. And let them trust you to dps.

[Krylo]

If that's how you're using it, please stop. If you're grouped with a healer you have 0 reason to touch your healing spells as a dps.

Physick, sure. Second wind, however, especially as melee DPS, should see lots of use on any enemy/boss that has PBAoEs. Unless that AoE is going to do over 6k a second wind, oGCD can heal a large enough percentage of it to make taking it in the face to stay glued to an enemy and eke out more DPS an entirely viable choice. Especially if you also pop a defensive cooldown in preparation for the hit.

Second wind isn't REALLY a healing tool in group content. It's a DPS tool used to let you stick in place to do damage when you'd normally have to retreat.

I don't know how often that'd be useful for ranged DPS classes but.

[OPneedNerfs]

I know other jobs who'd rather have a MCH's cross class actions.

TBH, MNK cross class skills aren't that good. Why do you even need that self heal anyway?

I'd take Invigorate/BFB or Raging Strikes/Quelling Strikes anyday.

[RiceisNice]

I know other jobs who'd rather have a MCH's cross class actions.

TBH, MNK cross class skills aren't that good. Why do you even need that self heal anyway?

I'd take Invigorate/BFB or Raging Strikes/Quelling Strikes anyday.

That's 4 skill slots out of 5 that you can use. Beyond that, you have keen flurry and feint. The former that rarely amounts to mitigation and the latter only being feasible to use an GCD while moving with GB active (which is never when you can just turn it off and re-enable it on the go). MNK cross skills are by no means bad, but I wouldn't take it over DRG/BRD if we're only limited to 2 classes to cross from.

As a blm, I'll trade physick for a dps skill any day. It's basically a wasted cross class spot; it's uses limited to a niche role in a handful of main scenario quests.

"any amount of ability to alleviate healers"

If that's how you're using it, please stop. If you're grouped with a healer you have 0 reason to touch your healing spells as a dps.

You can't really compare second wind to physick though. SW works off attack potency and is oGCD (meaning you can use without interrupting your damage rotation) while phyisck scales off mind stat.

[Malevicton]

You can't really compare second wind to physick though. SW works off attack potency and is oGCD (meaning you can use without interrupting your damage rotation) while phyisck scales off mind stat.

It was op that made the comparison. Op also included pld cure.