Strongest Job Lorewise?

[Nalien]

You know, if we're taking things Jobs can't actually do, but certain NPCs are shown to do, into account (like Astrologian stopping time), then however strong Ninja is you need to multiply by four. That fourth Mudra turns Ninja into a one man Light Party, and between that, the stealth, mobility, and great deal of utility (which includes healing, seeing as NPC Ninjas seem to have some OP potions on hand at all times) Ninja has... Warrior might be able to split rocks, and Black Mage might be able to summon them, but a Light Party of Ninjas (which is just one Ninja) could end any of them before they get the chance to do their thing...

[Daralii]

You know, if we're taking things Jobs can't actually do, but certain NPCs are shown to do, into account (like Astrologian stopping time), then however strong Ninja is you need to multiply by four. That fourth Mudra turns Ninja into a one man Light Party, and between that, the stealth, mobility, and great deal of utility (which includes healing, seeing as NPC Ninjas seem to have some OP potions on hand at all times) Ninja has... Warrior might be able to split rocks, and Black Mage might be able to summon them, but a Light Party of Ninjas (which is just one Ninja) could end any of them before they get the chance to do their thing...

Player ASTs are capable of stopping time. It's what Celestial Opposition is.

[Nalien]

Player ASTs are capable of stopping time. It's what Celestial Opposition is.

Is it? Because I'm reading "Stun" instead of "Stop", though even if it applied a Stop effect (which is really no different than Stun, except I imagine it would pause cooldowns as well, and not interrupt cast times, just pause them... kinda want that now...) that would still be a Stop effect on targeted individuals. Time wouldn't be paused, just peoples perception of it.

Still arguably powerful, but... If I shoot an Astrologian, them pausing my perception of time does not stop my bullet.

it also increase the duration of the ast buffs on the whole party

Which is the same effect as Time Dilation, and the NPC actually explained how Time Dilation "cheats" our perception of time, IIRC. Realistically if either were real time manipulation, they'd not be limited to the Astrologians buffs (see: 2.5s Ascian fight, where real time manipulation occurs and it extends the duration of all our buffs).

Astrologian messes with time perception, not time itself. That's still powerful, but it's not dodge bullets powerful. Though as Y'stola has demonstrated countless times, you don't need to dodge bullets when you have a bubble shield...

[Colorful]

And I remind you that Louisoix fought the mighty primal Bahamut on equal footing, and at his strongest.

Except he didn't, he became the primal Phoenix from all the prayers around Eorzea, didn't he? He's using borrowed power.

Though if we're talking after they've achieved complete mastery over their job, it's undoubtedly Black Mage, using Shantotto as my reference here. The ability to travel dimensions and obliterate worlds with ease, I'm sorry but destroying a weak Ascian doesn't compare to that. But they're pretty boring in game to be honest.

[Tint]

Is it? Because I'm reading "Stun" instead of "Stop", though even if it applied a Stop effect (which is really no different than Stun, except I imagine it would pause cooldowns as well, and not interrupt cast times, just pause them... kinda want that now...) that would still be a Stop effect on targeted individuals. Time wouldn't be paused, just peoples perception of it.

Still arguably powerful, but... If I shoot an Astrologian, them pausing my perception of time does not stop my bullet.

it also increase the duration of the ast buffs on the whole party

[Lemuria]

Except he didn't, he became the primal Phoenix from all the prayers around Eorzea, didn't he? He's using borrowed power.

The fact alone that he was able to do that is all the information you need. The only other person we know of to become a primal was Lady Iceheart, and she wasn't even a fraction of the same strength. Furthermore, he was holding Bahamut back before he even became Phoenix, and cast a powerful binding spell.

[Dalvy]

Smn, WHM and BLM are hands down the strongest jobs. Allagans feared summoners, white mages caused a calamity, and black mages have the potential to bring down meteors (as well, void mages being related to black magic).

AST aren't capable of stopping time, only slowing it. The class quest lore says that isn't even possible unless you are the highest of the high end of the sharlayan scholars. Even THAT is a big maybe.

Weakest job by far is DRG personally. A bard can at least strengthen and restore ally energy with just songs. Drg doesn't have much to go by other than being chained to a dragon's ass

[GunsBlazing]

White Magic was the counterpoint to the devastation wrought by Black Mage. While it's primary purpose is to heal wounds and rejuvenate, it was banned due to it's misuse with many White Mages becoming power hungry and using their abilities to do harm.

This is a very common misconception. Conjuration is healing magic alongside destructive magic; White Magic is the powerhouse. It is tapping directly into the Elemental's aether to use their energy to perform much more powerful magic. It is NOT necessarily a healer. They CAN heal, because to be a White Mage, you basically have to know Conjury (which is the healer), but healing people is not the purpose of White Magic. This was a gift bestowed on man to repair the WORLD that had been devastated by black magic. Saying a white mage is a healer is like saying a nuke is a gun. It's about scale and power.


That being said, I have to agree with the majority here that Summoner is the strongest. I'd say Scholar is probably the weakest, if we're going purely off the job concepts. Scholar is a strategist. They could win the battle, but they won't do it from pure strength, cuz.. They don't have that much. Intelligence can win a fight, but it is not power.

[Jonditaru]

The fact alone that he was able to do that is all the information you need. The only other person we know of to become a primal was Lady Iceheart, and she wasn't even a fraction of the same strength. Furthermore, he was holding Bahamut back before he even became Phoenix, and cast a powerful binding spell.

Don't forget, Thordan VII and The Knights of the Round, also were able to become "primals."

Either way, when it comes down to these different jobs, it's always hard to pinpoint exactly which one would be considred to be the strongest. Each one has something to it that we've seen or heard of through their respective storylines. The biggest would definitely be between BLM and WHM due to The War of the Magi.

[Dalvy]

That being said, I have to agree with the majority here that Summoner is the strongest. I'd say Scholar is probably the weakest, if we're going purely off the job concepts. Scholar is a strategist. They could win the battle, but they won't do it from pure strength, cuz.. They don't have that much. Intelligence can win a fight, but it is not power.

scholar is technically summoner lite. That fairy is created based on the same principles as a summoner's egi--it's a portion of the caster's own soul. Theoretically they can summon bigger things, but SCH in Nym only focused on supporting the WARs in the royal marines.