Strongest Job Lorewise?

[CyrilLucifer]

While not directly powerful, I'd like to point out that AST have the limited ability to control time. That is an extremely powerful utility; even 5 or 10 seconds of stopped time and you can finish a battle.

There's also that one theory that Astrologian magic blocked out the sky and caused the Ice age Umbral era.

[Daralii]

But then SMN>WHM because they can channel this power at will. Oh and dragoon seem to have no problem taking down dragons. Hell even the allagans can apparently easily capture and control hundreds of them. Makes white mage seem kind of weak in comparison.

Except white mages can channel their power at will, our characters and the padjal just don't have the knowledge that Amdapor did. Again, the Elementals were willing to drown the continent to make sure that knowledge was lost.

[Colorful]

And I remind you that Louisoix fought the mighty primal Bahamut on equal footing, and at his strongest.

Except he didn't, he became the primal Phoenix from all the prayers around Eorzea, didn't he? He's using borrowed power.

Though if we're talking after they've achieved complete mastery over their job, it's undoubtedly Black Mage, using Shantotto as my reference here. The ability to travel dimensions and obliterate worlds with ease, I'm sorry but destroying a weak Ascian doesn't compare to that. But they're pretty boring in game to be honest.

[Lemuria]

Except he didn't, he became the primal Phoenix from all the prayers around Eorzea, didn't he? He's using borrowed power.

The fact alone that he was able to do that is all the information you need. The only other person we know of to become a primal was Lady Iceheart, and she wasn't even a fraction of the same strength. Furthermore, he was holding Bahamut back before he even became Phoenix, and cast a powerful binding spell.

[Jonditaru]

The fact alone that he was able to do that is all the information you need. The only other person we know of to become a primal was Lady Iceheart, and she wasn't even a fraction of the same strength. Furthermore, he was holding Bahamut back before he even became Phoenix, and cast a powerful binding spell.

Don't forget, Thordan VII and The Knights of the Round, also were able to become "primals."

Either way, when it comes down to these different jobs, it's always hard to pinpoint exactly which one would be considred to be the strongest. Each one has something to it that we've seen or heard of through their respective storylines. The biggest would definitely be between BLM and WHM due to The War of the Magi.

[Colorful]

The fact alone that he was able to do that is all the information you need. The only other person we know of to become a primal was Lady Iceheart, and she wasn't even a fraction of the same strength. Furthermore, he was holding Bahamut back before he even became Phoenix, and cast a powerful binding spell.

I know very little about the lore, but again, wasn't the binding spell that powerful due to the assistance of other Scions and the prayers of Eorzea? I'm not implying that Louisoix isn't incredibly powerful, but against assitance he'd be no more than a feather in comparison to Bahamut, the only people of holding back Bahamut would be the other Elder Primals, the now extinct(?) Allagans, and likely Midgardsormr in his original form. The power of the primal summoned is also directly tied into the prayers received, Ysayle had a fairly small cult of followers, while Louisoix had almost the entirety of Eorzea.

But regardless, the fact that he able to become powerful speaks volumes, but you say speak as if White & Black Mages are limiting easily attainable power, when in reality if they weren't "limiting" themselves very few could achieve that power, Shantotto being the only one who has from what I'm aware of. But again, I don't know too much about the lore of White Mages and Black Mages, so do correct me if I'm wrong.

[Normalizer]

The fact alone that he was able to do that is all the information you need. The only other person we know of to become a primal was Lady Iceheart, and she wasn't even a fraction of the same strength. Furthermore, he was holding Bahamut back before he even became Phoenix, and cast a powerful binding spell.

Actually in the 2.5 quest Nabriales said he has that power from using his staff, which enables him to draw the power from the environment around him.

[Daralii]

The fact alone that he was able to do that is all the information you need. The only other person we know of to become a primal was Lady Iceheart, and she wasn't even a fraction of the same strength. Furthermore, he was holding Bahamut back before he even became Phoenix, and cast a powerful binding spell.

When he held Bahamut back, he was trying to summon the Twelve as primals. When he killed him, he was using a country's worth of prayer and an ungodly amount of aether vacuumed up by Tupsimati. Phoenix is probably one of the strongest primals ever summoned.

[GunsBlazing]

White Magic was the counterpoint to the devastation wrought by Black Mage. While it's primary purpose is to heal wounds and rejuvenate, it was banned due to it's misuse with many White Mages becoming power hungry and using their abilities to do harm.

This is a very common misconception. Conjuration is healing magic alongside destructive magic; White Magic is the powerhouse. It is tapping directly into the Elemental's aether to use their energy to perform much more powerful magic. It is NOT necessarily a healer. They CAN heal, because to be a White Mage, you basically have to know Conjury (which is the healer), but healing people is not the purpose of White Magic. This was a gift bestowed on man to repair the WORLD that had been devastated by black magic. Saying a white mage is a healer is like saying a nuke is a gun. It's about scale and power.


That being said, I have to agree with the majority here that Summoner is the strongest. I'd say Scholar is probably the weakest, if we're going purely off the job concepts. Scholar is a strategist. They could win the battle, but they won't do it from pure strength, cuz.. They don't have that much. Intelligence can win a fight, but it is not power.

[Dalvy]

That being said, I have to agree with the majority here that Summoner is the strongest. I'd say Scholar is probably the weakest, if we're going purely off the job concepts. Scholar is a strategist. They could win the battle, but they won't do it from pure strength, cuz.. They don't have that much. Intelligence can win a fight, but it is not power.

scholar is technically summoner lite. That fairy is created based on the same principles as a summoner's egi--it's a portion of the caster's own soul. Theoretically they can summon bigger things, but SCH in Nym only focused on supporting the WARs in the royal marines.