Strongest Job Lorewise?

[AeraCross]

Simple question, I want to know what people think is the strongest job lorewise. Personally I think it's dragoon. Being able to jump at insane heights as well as dedicating your whole being into slaying dragons, some of the strongest enemies in Eorzea must require an extreme degree of skill, disciplicine, and exceptional physical physique. I also think it could be summoner as they theoretically can invoke the powers of each and every primal via summons or self-empowerment.

Edit: Additionally what do you think is the weakest job lorewise? I think its Machinist considering they don't really have any supernatural powers, they rely on technology and ingenuity.

Edit 2: Probably should have clarified this in the beginning. Basically what Im asking is, if all jobs had to fight eachother either 1v1 or in an all out brawl who would come out on top? Lorewise of course

[Bernelli]

Strongest? BLM, WHM, and SMN.

Weakest? BRD.

[EdwinLi]

Strongest? BLM, WHM, and SMN.

Weakest? BRD.

Weakest is actually Machinist since what make them strong is the technology they use. Physically and magically Machinist lack any physical nor magical talent which is why the Machinist, lore wise, is the Job that can be mastered by anyone from those who lack physical or magical talents to the rich and the poor who normally would not be able to put time into the other jobs due to their personal life.

Bard maintain some physical talents which is why the Archer Guild requires some physical training to use a Bow which they carry over as a Bard.

[Gamer3427]

Edit: Additionally what do you think is the weakest job lorewise? I think its Machinist considering they don't really have any supernatural powers, they rely on technology and ingenuity.

If we're talking about pure physical prowess then yes. But if we're talking about actual capabilities lore wise, then power through technology is still power. Are the Garleans any less of a threat because they can't use magic? I'm not going to claim MCH is the strongest lore wise, as it was designed as a way to empower those who are normally powerless in Ishgardian society, but the key to empowering is that it has to grant power. And considering that this is Ishgard we're speaking of, where fighting hoards of dragons is an every day thing, the MCHs would have to be on at least equal footing with the rest of them when used by commoners who are normally unskilled non-combatants, much less seasoned fighters with far more skill with utilizing the potential of the class to its fullest like the Warrior of Light is.....

I'd say that the weakest in terms of combat strength from a lore perspective would be the Bards actually, as their role lore wise is to empower those around them, relying primarily on the newly enhanced strength of others, rather than their own strength. While this does certainly serve it's place in combat, from a lore point of view this would put the BRD at the bottom of the totem pole on what strength they personally have......

As for the strongest, I'd have to say that SMN takes it easily, as while I haven't done the level 60 quest yet, my understanding of what happens is that *SPOILER* you single-handedly kill multiple Ascians, (albeit weaker ones), at the same time. This is something that in the course of the story took an artifact of great power and the sacrifice of an ally's life to achieve the first time, the very artifact that grants dragons, (and specifically Nidhogg), as well as the Dragoons their strength, for the second kill, and took the summoning of the most powerful primal yet, (lore wise), to cause the third story kill of an Ascian. If we're talking about raw strength lore wise, then SMN has shown the potential to harness power that is well beyond anything any other class in the game.....

[Iromi]

As for the strongest, I'd have to say that SMN takes it easily, as while I haven't done the level 60 quest yet, my understanding of what happens is that *SPOILER* you single-handedly kill multiple Ascians,

ITs true, yea its SMN for sure. When I saw that as I was doing the smn quests I was like..HOLD UP hahaha

[CosmicKirby]

Weakest is actually Machinist since what make them strong is the technology they use. Physically and magically Machinist lack any physical nor magical talent which is why the Machinist, lore wise, is the Job that can be mastered by anyone from those who lack physical or magical talents to the rich and the poor who normally would not be able to put time into the other jobs due to their personal life.

This, ironically and paradoxically, translates to players as:
"The only way you can play MCH is by first leveling another class to 50, and saving the world by beating the Garleans, several primals, and an Allagan weapon that was tampered with by creatures that want to destroy the planet. But anyone can totally do it, you're just lowering yourself here."

MCH story is dumb.

[Belhi]

Strongest is hard. Depends on how you define it. I mean on one hand you have the raw destructive power the Black Mages and the ability to channel the powers of Elder Primals with SMN but you also have WARs who has heroes remembered for things like tearing the arms of a Behemoth with his bare hands (Mythril Heart must have been a god mode badass).

I don't think there is an easy answer to this.

Weakest currently would probably be MCH which is still in its infancy but it has massive potential and theoretically a person with stronger Aetheric reserves could potentially have some extremely powerful attacks.

[Daralii]

ITs true, yea its SMN for sure. When I saw that as I was doing the smn quests I was like..HOLD UP hahaha

I'd say black mages and white mages surpass summoners, or at least they can. There's a reason a war between them lead to the Elementals deciding that trying to kill every mortal in Eorzea was necessary. The strongest white mages were supposedly capable of altering the fabric of existence.

[EdwinLi]

This, ironically and paradoxically, translates to players as:
"The only way you can play MCH is by first leveling another class to 50, and saving the world by beating the Garleans, several primals, and an Allagan weapon that was tampered with by creatures that want to destroy the planet. But anyone can totally do it, you're just lowering yourself here."

MCH story is dumb.

lowering yourself isn't what the WoL does when he or she becomes a MCH. When the WoL becomes a MCH he or she is the original user of the Machinist Soulstone setting the memories and skills for the successor of that Machinist Job Soulstone.

Currently MCH Soulstone used by the WoL is a clean slate which has no memories to pass on MCH skills. It is up to the WoL to build up those memories so the successor can obtain those talents while other Job Soulstones the WoL has is just the WoL obtaining memories of the Job Soulstone to obtain the power from the past users.

The reason why anyone can become a Machinist is due to originally being a crafter Job where both poor and rich would take on for crafting weapons and airships for Ishgard until the current Guild Master decided to introduce combat for the MCH job. The primary use for MCH, lore wise, is still to serve as crafters mostly for magitek industries such as the Garlond Ironworks, Airship industry, and ishgard's weapon industry.

[Paka]

Strongest : SMN
Weakest : MCN