DEV REQUEST: Remove cast bars to MCH & BRD

[Ayuhra]

I am selfish and part of the "please no WM" camp, I admit. I don't mention it much because BRD is obviously not my main job. My main job is BLM. When I was leveling BRD I found it a ton of fun, almost a breath of fresh air for how hyper mobile it was. As an alternative to my usual turret it was great. I stopped leveling when I heard about Minuet because it seemed like the one thing that drew me to the class was gone.

I can't speak for BRD mains. But as a BLM main it was disappointing to see the mobility lost. I'm sure it's still more mobile than BLM (everything is) but I can't want to finish leveling it, knowing it turns into yet another turret at the end.

[AskaRay]

Can we stop with these threads please or at least keep them all in one thread?
Despite common belief, more threads =/= Community Reps passing on the info to the devs. One thread with many posts will accomplish the same thing.

[Ormeriel]

I agree, casting times should be removed.
That's not a matter of efficiency, bard can have a decent dps and are pretty useful still, but a matter of playstyle.
What if they added a stance to summoner that increase their dps by 30% but remove their pet? Effectively turning them into Dots blackmage. What if they added another stance to bard that increase damage by 20% when in melee range of a mob? Effectively turning them into melee dps.

All those change would not impact the effectiveness of those class, but it does change the playstyle massively, playstyle is important, that's why we people play Ninja instead of Monk or vice versa, that's why we don't have simply 1 job for each role.

Variety, create fun, and allows people to find a job with a playstyle, with a rotation and look and feel they enjoy. Wanderer's Minuet has altered the bard playstyle and as such is big mistake.

Every people saying "The bard are fine" are focused on effectiveness.

[AzraelX]

I agree, casting times should be removed.
That's not a matter of efficiency, bard can have a decent dps and are pretty useful still, but a matter of playstyle.


All those change would not impact the effectiveness of those class, but it does change the playstyle massively, playstyle is important, that's why we people play Ninja instead of Monk or vice versa, that's why we don't have simply 1 job for each role.

Variety, create fun, and allows people to find a job with a playstyle, with a rotation and look and feel they enjoy. Wanderer's Minuet has altered the bard playstyle and as such is big mistake.

Every people saying "The bard are fine" are focused on effectiveness.

Thank I added ur comments to my post to make it clear . It's about play style. Even if one choose my 2.0 playstyle your whole group will hate you- again forcing a playstyle on support DPS that never wanted it or needed it.

[Malevicton]

Thank I added ur comments to my post to make it clear . It's about play style. Even if one choose my 2.0 playstyle your whole group will hate you- again forcing a playstyle on support DPS that never wanted it or needed it.

And in that context would you still compare it to smn/ast/drg?

[AzraelX]

And in that context would you still compare it to smn/ast/drg?

Compared to SAM/ AST/ DRG- a simple fix that does not sacrifice the play style is remove cast times and cut pot. That can be done in a hot fix.
Brads and MCH already lose dps potential when they use their support skills- as a whole most are cool with that. I think that alone doesn't make support dps overpowered.

I don't have the data but other have said even with gu and wm - brads n MCH are behind in dps. Which I' m ok with just not the sacrifice in play style.

[Malevicton]

Compared to SAM/ AST/ DRG- a simple fix that does not sacrifice the play style is remove cast times and cut pot. That can be done in a hot fix.
Brads and MCH already lose dps potential when they use their support skills- as a whole most are cool with that. I think that alone doesn't make support dps overpowered.

I don't have the data but other have said even with gu and wm - brads n MCH are behind in dps. Which I' m ok with just not the sacrifice in play style.

That would be way more complicated than a hotfix. 3.0 brd is balanced around wm and its corresponding moves. It's extremely dishonest to just say "remove cast times and cut potency."

[FoxyAreku]

You don't even notice the cast times on machinist for the most part since you skip them entirely if you proc. Poor bards though~

[Muin]

Please redesign any cast times post-50 to reflect the play style of BRD originally as it was meant to be. I agree with the OP: this is a matter of play style. Keep bard a physical and mobile DPS with consistent but fast-paced damage please.

I feel it's important to point out that since 2.0, BRD has seen so many dev tweaks that it's got a permanent identity crisis. This has only made it worse. If you want to create a sniper-style, aiming technique in which we have to pause as a part of the job's role, that's fine, but make it represent physical+ranged+melee and get rid of this quirky casting dynamic. Even Ninja with their mudras are able to cast on the go as physical DPS.

Lastly, from a social standpoint running Duty Finder dungeons, there are too many other players who feel it's necessary to micromanage every aspect of your play especially as a DPS. It's already an obnoxious habit of those who'll boss you around on something like Mage's Ballad or Foe Requiem as if you haven't discerned enough about your own job for 50+ levels. Add to this the use of Wanderer's Minuet and associated skills and it's just a mood killer, a shot to morale, a downer, yes a mood killer!

[Kathyz]

Normally i would aprove this but since i have 5 days in a row in Shiva Trial roulette where all bards and MCH die because they are runin like idiots, im sorry xD.

Really the only thing they should fix its the problem with Probs in Bard skills. Sicerily before the Expansion i hope they do something like this but instead of Casting Bar a skill Toggle where they gain like +30% damage but they cant move until you desactive the toggle. ( No cooldown)