DEV REQUEST: Remove cast bars to MCH & BRD

[Mahri]

MCH main here. And the more I use Gauss Barrel, the more I like how it works. Actually, that statement applies to the whole class altogether.

I'm sort of a fan of stance-dancing. I like the feeling of being able to choose between mobility and power, because there are definitely moments in endgame content where one or the other is called for.

It's me, I am the Rifle Wizard.

[UltimateAoe2]

It's me, I am the Rifle Wizard.

If only Machinists had the options to use Rifles....
I would switch in a heartbeat from Bard.


....unless of course Bards had the option to use Crossbows.

then w_w;;

[Mahri]

If only Machinists had the options to use Rifles....
then w_w;;

Rifles, blunderbusses, musketoons, carbines, uh...whatever else they're called...



(this is how my retainers feel about me)

[Kore_Hyperion]

I think the cast times are fun. I'm not sure how BRD works, but at least MCH can still move and shoot while on a proc. So I can still move around a bit while shooting. Even so, I find it challenging and fun to actually think about where I'm standing, where I need to be, and timing the movement.

[FallenArisen0990]

Nah OP, you're gonna stand there like everyone else and DPS or turn off WM/GB and do your subpar DPS. This was fix I wanted for BRDs and I'm happy.

[Mahri]

Nah OP, you're gonna stand there like everyone else and DPS or turn off WM/GB and do your subpar DPS. This was fix I wanted for BRDs and I'm happy.

Are you referring to the fact that during 2.x Bards pretty much defined themselves by being the ones who ran around like annoying spazzes, frequently pulling aggro and preventing anyone except ranged (i.e. non-tanky) classes from helping out and actually getting the thing done?

Because yeah.

In light of that, Minuet is the most beautiful addition to FFXIV possible.

[FallenArisen0990]

Are you referring to the fact that during 2.x Bards pretty much defined themselves by being the ones who ran around like annoying spazzes, frequently pulling aggro and preventing anyone except ranged (i.e. non-tanky) classes from helping out and actually getting the thing done?

Because yeah.

In light of that, Minuet is the most beautiful addition to FFXIV possible.

Yes, sooooo much yes on this lol.

[Maero]

Stop being lazy and accept the changes. Reason being Bard 2.x had it far too easy and it was way easier to deal with mechanics over other classes because of you know mobility.
Heavansward, SE wanted all classes to have to at least think a little and deal with mechanics

@ mdha02, agreed 100%, people are still bringing up comparisons between Bard and black mage but have absolutely NO experience with it.
Play both classes people and then comment as you guys are clueless.

[RiceisNice]

, people are still bringing up comparisons between Bard and black mage but have absolutely NO experience with it.
Play both classes people and then comment as you guys are clueless.

BLM and BRDs are only comparable in the sense that they both have the same restrictions from cast times, that BLM can't catch their firestarter procs immediately...to an extent since they can oGCD/thundercloud weave to register the proc faster, nor do they ever hardcast fire III in astral to waste that proc. BRDs have SS as a regular part of their rotation, on top of an oGCD that resets.

Movement...not so much considering it didn't even stop BLMs from topping bards in 2.0, let alone now. It gets into a deeper mess when you consider what the reason was for BRD's lower damage output back then, where the developers themselves dance between the mobility or support aspect. Shorter cast times or not, it's still some resemblance of movement getting into your dps rotation, but honestly that has never seem to be that big of an issue now or before, for both classes.

[RosaBlanche]

it's ok, when you're in situations where you have to move frequently to avoid aoes just remove it, when it's safe for a while reactivate it, if you're just gonna stand there shooting arrows in peaceful phases, might as well get 30% more damage, it makes the jobs more "technical" to play, learn when to use it and when to remove it to optimize the damage output, that's the bard now, deal with it or change job.