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    Paladin Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Launched View Post
    What? Are you seriously comparing a single Royal Authority hit to a single Fell Cleave hit? You have to be joking. PLD doesn't have the burst WAR has, and it never had it. PLD's damage is far more sustained: FoF is slightly weaker but lasts 50% longer and has no drawback. Your autoattacks are fast and Sword Oath adds a lot of unnoticeable damage to them. You have 2 DoTs: one that's very strong and another that's off GCD. The only "burst" PLD has is Spirits Within. Their sustained damage in Sword Oath with Storm's Eye/Dancing Edge is competitive with WAR, and their Shield Oath damage was NEVER competitive.

    I will politely offer my opinion that you are wrong. I've watched countless videos from reliable sources that prove your statements wrong when concerning competitive damage when performing raid mechanics and on paper.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTsVLBMAgsE
    http://imgur.com/cEIx1I4
    http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/120318-Paladin-VS-Warrior-Battle-of-the-Off-Tank-DPS

    I also used to be in a raid group where the leader would embarrass and belittle me if I didn't even get in the ballpark of his numbers since he had ACT up constantly (keep in mind I, and others, left him in the dust because of that attitude and made our own FC.) I very intimately knew then and know now what Paladins face in the matter of where the job lacks what it needs. We do peanuts for damage, have an ability kit that does not have synergy concerning the direction we're forced, we can't make up for our own weaknesses, and furthermore we can't even help others make up for what we lack.
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    Warrior Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Shining_Tiger_Excalibur View Post
    I will politely offer my opinion that you are wrong. I've watched countless videos from reliable sources that prove your statements wrong when concerning competitive damage when performing raid mechanics and on paper.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTsVLBMAgsE
    http://imgur.com/cEIx1I4
    http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/120...e-Off-Tank-DPS
    What are these links meant to show? All I'm seeing is that OT parses were similar between PLD and WAR in 2.x, and that was the case when I compared my DPS to a PLD in my FC back around i180. The video also shows that a PLD in Shield Oath most of the time gets heavily outDPSed by WAR in Defiance most of the time. They just support what I said: competitive OT DPS, PLD gets destroyed in MT DPS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Launched View Post
    What are these links meant to show? All I'm seeing is that OT parses were similar between PLD and WAR in 2.x, and that was the case when I compared my DPS to a PLD in my FC back around i180. The video also shows that a PLD in Shield Oath most of the time gets heavily outDPSed by WAR in Defiance most of the time. They just support what I said: competitive OT DPS, PLD gets destroyed in MT DPS.
    Funnily enough from the recent parsing I just did, this isn't the case anymore. I'm actually flabbergasted by how similar Warrior and Paladin DPS is in tank stance (I can attribute it to the second DoT and Royal Authority combo.) We were both in similar equipment down to the same slaying accessories and we were both at similar DPS (we only used our dps abilities.) The script has actually been flipped....he crushed me in DPS by more than 300 in our respective DPS stances instead. What this shows is that you aren't right when you say it's the same now. We just offhandedly had a level 54 warrior do a random fell cleave that hit for 2k with no slashing debuff....you're wrong on both accounts now and your DPS must have been while you were still learning. There's no possible way off tank DPS is comparable unless that Paladin greatly outgeared you.

    EDIT: If you'd like to question the ability of that Warrior I had parsing with me, he's in Dancing Mad with Hadley Brightfoot if that means anything. The guy obviously knows what he's doing and even he admits that in order for a Paladin to now match a Warriors off tank DPS something wrong has to happen in the form of stats, equipment or ability.
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