What happens when.....

[Xyphon]

@Donjo - If you are referring to the lack of passives that increase the effectiveness of a cross class skill, then sure they could be considered inferior. But lets not be completely ignorant, flash as a cross class skill can work better on warrior than pld as a cross class skill. Not to say you'd be better off using it vs overpower, but then it doesn't use your tp resources.

Besides the -acc you get from the actual trait of flash, the main point of using it is aoe threat. Yet magically you can pop berserk on warrior, and now your flash is superior to pld. I realize nobody in their right mind as a warrior would waste berserk just to spam flash, but the point is it still gens more threat than a plds flash (with the same ilvl).

This is why I've argued that flash should have never been able to be cross classed to begin with; a remanent of 1.0. Originally I think the passive trait to it was turning it from single target to an AOE.

[Syzygian]

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It does? Flash as I understand it is 600 potency of hate flat, and is unaffected by any sort of buffs you have.

[Shining_Tiger_Excalibur]

It does? Flash as I understand it is 600 potency of hate flat, and is unaffected by any sort of buffs you have.

Unless it changed recently, as far as I know it scaled with attack power and other things. That's why Xyphon brought up the Berserk thing when using it, since it practically doubles enmity generation.

[karateorangutang]

Unless it changed recently, as far as I know it scaled with attack power and other things. That's why Xyphon brought up the Berserk thing when using it, since it practically doubles enmity generation.

I know it used to scale off an equation that I can't find and determination was a large factor in determining the threat it produced. It's theorized that stances also affect it as it would count as an attack. So, if flash generated 1000 threat shield oath would drop it by 20% to 800 then double it to 1600. This is all conjecture from me though.

I'm sure someone here knows better.

[Shining_Tiger_Excalibur]

I know it used to scale off an equation that I can't find and determination was a large factor in determining the threat it produced. It's theorized that stances also affect it as it would count as an attack. So, if flash generated 1000 threat shield oath would drop it by 20% to 800 then double it to 1600. This is all conjecture from me though.

I'm sure someone here knows better.

That is indeed the case. Weapon Damage, Determination, and Strength all affected it and any form of outgoing damage increase ability (like Fight or Flight) had no effect on it (and still don't.)


EDIT: Much like you, I am uncertain how the Tank Stance would directly modify it but they without a doubt do affect it.
EDIT II: I forgot to thank you for participating in the discussion thread so I'll add it here. Much like my other comments directed toward other users, I appreciate you for taking the time to comment on certain topics of discussion within this thread. It means a lot to me.

[Dante_V]

I know it used to scale off an equation that I can't find and determination was a large factor in determining the threat it produced. It's theorized that stances also affect it as it would count as an attack. So, if flash generated 1000 threat shield oath would drop it by 20% to 800 then double it to 1600. This is all conjecture from me though.

I'm sure someone here knows better.

My understanding is that flash scales on str from the testing I've done. Shield Oath also increases enmity at a higher rate than the damage loss from the stance and I don't think the stance directly lowers str but you can check in your character stats by turning it on and off. Regardless since flash does no damage it shouldn't be affected by the stance regardless aside from an enmity increase.

[karateorangutang]

My understanding is that flash scales on str from the testing I've done. Shield Oath also increases enmity at a higher rate than the damage loss from the stance and I don't think the stance directly lowers str but you can check in your character stats by turning it on and off. Regardless since flash does no damage it shouldn't be affected by the stance regardless aside from an enmity increase.

no it doesnt lower your str, but it does lower you attack. I was under the impression flash scaled off of attack and not str. Again I digress that I could indeed be wrong. I'd have to do some testing.