NO MORE ALEXANDER(NM)!

[Spellbinder]

If we get rid of normal Alexander, can we get rid of normal Coil as well?

[Alex_Lenderson]

Storyline is pretty lame compared to Coil. Other than that I don't see the issue.

[Belhi]

Storyline is pretty lame compared to Coil. Other than that I don't see the issue.

We have only seen the first chapter. The first coil was hardly the most riveting part of coils story either.

[Jonditaru]

We have only seen the first chapter. The first coil was hardly the most riveting part of coils story either.

It was for legacy players, because it was pretty an opening to what was believed to have ended at the closing of 1.0

[Velox]

Raiders: "We need harder raids. I don't care about gear and titles. I just want to tackle harder content."

SE: "OK we added 2 versions of the raid to accommodate everyone, and easy version and a hard version."

Raiders: "But all the filthy casuals have similar gear and can watch all the cutscenes now."

SE: "I thought you didn't care about that stuff. We gave you harder content. Beating it is reward itself."

Raiders: "F*ck no! If I don't have gear, minions, mounts, titles, and special cutscenes to hold over the heads of casuals and allow me to flaunt my superiority, then there's no point!"

SE: "But you just said that it's not about the material rewards..."
Raiders: "It isn't"

SE: "..."

[Spellbinder]

Raiders: "We need harder raids. I don't care about gear and titles. I just want to tackle harder content."

SE: "OK we added a hard version of Binding Coil. The only new reward for it is a title, but we hope you enjoy the challenge.

Raiders: "But this is so hard! We really should at least get some sort of gear reward if we're going to do something this hard."

SE: "I thought you didn't care about that stuff. We gave you harder content. Beating it is reward itself."

Raiders: "F*ck no!"

SE: O-Okay... For Alexander, we've made the regular version a little easier to ensure more players can see the story. For the harder version, we've added gear and a special mount.

Raiders: What is this!? My gear is only marginally better, and the only difference is dye!?!? If I don't have more special gear, titles, and special cutscenes to hold over the heads of casuals and allow me to flaunt my superiority, then there's no point! You have to get rid of the normal mode!!!"

SE: "But during the 2.x series, you just said that it's not about the material rewards..."

Raiders: "It isn't"

SE: "..."

Adjusted that a bit for you.

[Kosmos992k]

Raiders: "We need harder raids. I don't care about gear and titles. I just want to tackle harder content."

SE: "OK we added 2 versions of the raid to accommodate everyone, and easy version and a hard version."

Raiders: "But all the filthy casuals have similar gear and can watch all the cutscenes now."

SE: "I thought you didn't care about that stuff. We gave you harder content. Beating it is reward itself."

Raiders: "F*ck no! If I don't have gear, minions, mounts, titles, and special cutscenes to hold over the heads of casuals and allow me to flaunt my superiority, then there's no point!"

SE: "But you just said that it's not about the material rewards..."
Raiders: "It isn't"

SE: "..."

Raiders: "We need harder raids. I don't care about gear and titles. I just want to tackle harder content."

SE: "OK we added a hard version of Binding Coil. The only new reward for it is a title, but we hope you enjoy the challenge.

Raiders: "But this is so hard! We really should at least get some sort of gear reward if we're going to do something this hard."

SE: "I thought you didn't care about that stuff. We gave you harder content. Beating it is reward itself."

Raiders: "F*ck no!"

SE: O-Okay... For Alexander, we've made the regular version a little easier to ensure more players can see the story. For the harder version, we've added gear and a special mount.

Raiders: What is this!? My gear is only marginally better, and the only difference is dye!?!? If I don't have more special gear, titles, and special cutscenes to hold over the heads of casuals and allow me to flaunt my superiority, then there's no point! You have to get rid of the normal mode!!!"

SE: "But during the 2.x series, you just said that it's not about the material rewards..."

Raiders: "It isn't"

SE: "..."

Adjusted that a bit for you.

LOL, thanks for the good laugh, both of you, though I expect some wont see the humour, irony, or truth...

It's funny how in these threads you always see the casuals posting immature stuff like this while the oh so evil raiders are having actual discussions on how to fix aspects the game.

Whats the matter? Too much irony and truth for comfort?

[Elazu]

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It's funny how in these threads you always see the casuals posting immature stuff like this while the oh so evil raiders are having actual discussions on how to fix aspects the game.

What a lot of non-raiders ignore is that you are not entitled to see every content the game has to offer if you don't work for it. If you don't beat the hardest content in the game, you don't deserve to have the best gear and should not see the story/get the glamour/mounts/whatever, simple as that. And before someone says "but I pay 15 bucks a month so I am entitled to have all the things you filthy elitist swine!!!!" - Nope. You pay to get access to play on SE's servers.


99% of the game has always been and still is casual content, and there are actually people in here that have the audacity to ask for the removal of that 1% of content that is made for the hardcore crowd and in the same sentence, call raiders egoistic because they'd like to have that 1% of the game for themselves and not ruined by the implementation of something like a normal mode. What a joke.

[Spellbinder]

It's funny how in these threads you always see the casuals posting immature stuff like this while the oh so evil raiders are having actual discussions on how to fix aspects the game.

What a lot of non-raiders ignore is that you are not entitled to see every content the game has to offer if you don't work for it. If you don't beat the hardest content in the game, you don't deserve to have the best gear and should not see the story/get the glamour/mounts/whatever, simple as that.

Whoa, whoa, whoa! Am I really seeing this right now? Let me remind you that the developers added an extra difficulty level (i.e. Savage) because players ASKED FOR IT. What makes you think just because they added an extra level of difficulty, that players who choose not to play that new difficulty don't deserve anything?

Edit: To make myself clear, I am not advocating that the best gear should not be exclusive to Savage. But to deny players the opportunity to see the story? That's just selfish.

[Velox]

It's funny how in these threads you always see the casuals posting immature stuff like this while the oh so evil raiders are having actual discussions on how to fix aspects the game.

It's funny how you choose to perceive my position on said content from a post without knowing who I am personally. It's ironic that my post comes from the mind of a raider and not the so-called "casual" you automatically label every person who disagrees with your viewpoint on this game.

I am a raider. I also think that 90% of the current raider base is full of whiny kids who have the same "me me me" mentality that you are so poignantly against. As per this sentence

If you don't beat the hardest content in the game, you don't deserve to have the best gear and should not see the story/get the glamour/mounts/whatever, simple as that

you have thus proved my point. You are just as much as fault as the people here who want complete removal of the rewards from raiding, or raiding altogether.

"But Velox, surely you can't actually disagree with both the filthy casual crowd AND the filthy raider crowd, can you?" Why yes, yes I can, because all of you who represent these extremes are the representatives of the misinformed, the ignorant, and the greedy.

I'm all for Savage rewarding higher tier gear, that's the only logical outcome to perform well in a fight that REQUIRES said gear. Hell, I'm perfectly fine with even a title or a minion as a reward at the end so that there's at least one carrot on the stick to chase after. However, that being said, I am 100% against any locking of story behind hardcore raiding in FFXIV. Notice the end of that previous statement is "...in FFXIV." I say this because, FFXIV itself is a game designed around story. Story is the singular most important aspect of the game. It's not a raid-driven game, not a PvP-driven game, not a sandbox-driven game, nor a crafting-driven game. It's not even a PvE-driven game. It's all about stories. FFXIV is a novel playing out, with lots of spin-offs and sequels. People who play FFXIV play for the story, first and foremost. FFXIV was DESIGNED for the story, first and foremost. Does FFXIV have all these other amenities? Of course it does, all MMOs should, but they are not and never will be the primary focus of the game.

You can lock as many material goods out of raids as you want and have as many tiers of difficulty as you want, but story should NEVER be something excluded from anyone who plays this wonderful game.