Forbidden Materia

[AquaRyu]

Hummm. . .Words searching. . .

I wouldn't call the lost of a 2.000.000 materia "Nothing" <.<'
It's true that I take the higher materia to argute

But let's take a materia @100k
that you fail 50 times @.@
can't we save this for the next step?

the point of difficulty is already in materia/gil gathering with the low sucess rate for me

[NefarioCall]

I love this system.

My only concern is really that the level cap will one day be level 99.
I understand that the hardcore players might 'not care'.
It's just that in a system where the cap will continue to grow, when there may eventually be grade X materia,
it is a bit demotivating to spend 100 million gil or thousands of hours trying to be overpowered now when it'll be just okay later. I don't really have any good ideas to harmonise this though. Increasing the success rate isn't the answer. Keeping the materia would just flood the market.

Still, if someone gets to 4 materia on a gear piece, there should be some kind of thankful reward in place for when the cap is 50 levels higher. I mean, yes, the reward is the uber gear, but to sink such a ridiculous amount of time into something only to have it obsolete later. it's not good.

[Answa]

Hummm. . .Words searching. . .

I wouldn't call the lost of a 2.000.000 materia "Nothing" <.<'
It's true that I take the higher materia to argute

But let's take a materia @100k
that you fail 50 times @.@
can't we save this for the next step?

the point of difficulty is already in materia/gil gathering with the low sucess rate for me

Not when the first materia socketed is 100% guaranteed. If you dare go past that, there will be risk.

[RemVye]

I love this system.

My only concern is really that the level cap will one day be level 99.
I understand that the hardcore players might 'not care'.
It's just that in a system where the cap will continue to grow, when there may eventually be grade X materia,
it is a bit demotivating to spend 100 million gil or thousands of hours trying to be overpowered now when it'll be just okay later. I don't really have any good ideas to harmonise this though. Increasing the success rate isn't the answer. Keeping the materia would just flood the market.

Still, if someone gets to 4 materia on a gear piece, there should be some kind of thankful reward in place for when the cap is 50 levels higher. I mean, yes, the reward is the uber gear, but to sink such a ridiculous amount of time into something only to have it obsolete later. it's not good.

That's an MMO? Constant change and upgrading. Gear will always become obsolete at some point, guaranteed. No ordinary player is going to spend 100 million gil to get 5 slotted materia. These are going to be the extremely hardcore who want the best of the best in slot and have time to do it. If the level cap raises, they will be more excited about getting to the new max and not really looking back at "man I wasted 100 million gil a 2 years ago to get the best item for 2 years".

Also, generally speaking when new expansions (level cap, gear, etc..) is added the rewards (such as gil / items / xp) is also increased to balance this out. Maybe you lost 100 million gil at one point being the first and only person to get 5 materia, but the rewards for quests has been increased to 100,000 gil per. That's not a huge deal really.

[tymora]

I'm all for the difficulty though I do think raising the probabilities a little might be nice. I mean whats the point of being able to socket up to 5 materia when the probabilities are harder than hitting the state lottery?
Current Probability of:
2 - 1 in 2 to 4 (25 to 40%)
3 - 1 in 25 to 8000 (5 to 10% of #2)
4 - 1 in 2500 to 800000??
5 - 1 in (why do we bother anyway)

The first person to get a full 5-materia (even a T1-only one) item should get a "Luck of Legends" or "Lottery Winner" title.

[Betelgeuzah]

Do we know the basic probabilities beyond tier 2?

I think a good scale to use is to see whether anyone can make it to tier 5 using tier III/IV materia in the first place. If no... then it should be raised just enough for someone to make it.

[tymora]

Do we know the basic probabilities beyond tier 2?

Think we can assume it is under 10%.

[Betelgeuzah]

Think we can assume it is under 10%.

Sure, but there's still a rather substantial difference between 0% and 10%, with 2 tiers to go.

If it's 30%>10%>7%>5%, that's manageable. If it's 30>10>5>1-2, good luck.

[tymora]

Well...we've seen 7% for the 3rd...think about the worst we can get (assuming 1% is lowest) is about 1 in a million...haha

I think they'll add new melders and stuff to help with the probability but this number is rather discouraging...heh

[Qfox]

i would love if they keep melding system as hard as its .. so we can have like super unique things .. like +3 item with 2 high stage or 3 stage melding .. which will make it hard for other for even try