Angry Bards

[Velhart]

Doesn't MCH have a very similar mechanic that makes bards angry?

MCH procs help it so you do not need to cast as much and they have much oGCD's to work with also. Like someone said, the stance was made for MCH, then thrown on BRD afterwards.

[Vinestra]

Doesn't MCH have a very similar mechanic that makes bards angry?

To Summarise MCH was designed from the ground up with Gauss Barrel and the cast bars in mind, Wanderers Minuet was tacked on and expected to work.. because as we know drastically changing play styles and having clashing game play styled abilities never is bad.

[echoica]

Bard is so much more enjoyable now. I really hope the changes stick. It takes an added layer of skill to play what many considered the easiest job in the game. If you can't find any other enjoyment playing this game and are to stubborn to change, well, then it's not for you and good bye?

[kalasnikov]

Bait detected. Not taking the bite.

[mdha02]

For all of you that are saying, "Brd is now a blm caster". Level BLM to 60 then let's hear you compair the two jobs. I have a level 60 brd and my friend has a level 60 blm. Brds cast are no where near blm cast. Not to mention BLM rotation is way harder then bards. Don't think so? Go on youtube and look up the new BLM rotation. Watch somebody do the new rotation on a casting dummy. Then imagine having to pull that off perfectly while having to move. Better yet, try it! Then come back here and complain about how BRD is to much like BLM. Because it's not.

The only side to the brd argument I can actually agree on is the procs on BRD need to function like the procs on MCH. But since 90% of the bards are crying about cast time, get over it. WM is not going to go away. If SE takes it away, I hope they just take it away. Give bards no damage buff so that we can get rid of these "bards are no longer mobile DPS". And go back to the days when bards just whined about not having high enough DPS.

[Aiselia]

Not to mention BLM rotation is way harder then bards.

Wait, you actually think BLM rotation is hard? BLM rotation is actually very simple. The only time there's any difficulty to BLM is literally only when there's movement required, and that has nothing to do with rotation, but Enochian upkeep. Any time you're able to turret, you've got the easiest rotation.

BLM is the class I play when I don't want to have to do too much to get big numbers.

[Velhart]

Wait, you actually think BLM rotation is hard? BLM rotation is actually very simple. The only time there's any difficulty to BLM is literally only when there's movement required, and that has nothing to do with rotation, but Enochian upkeep. Any time you're able to turret, you've got the easiest rotation.

BLM is the class I play when I don't want to have to do too much to get big numbers.

BRD is still arguably the easiest DPS in the game to play.

[Maero]

No class is overly hard, blm it is about enochian up keep which yes is easy but sometimes mechanics do mess you right up. All comes down to how well the player knows how to play a class.
Also agree with Velhart in that Bard is still one of the easiest classes to play, 2.x Bard had it way too easy.
QOL fixes in terms of timing and also have it so Bards are not punished as much from singing to support the group would be good. Again pretty much only those with no experience as a caster find the cast times being the issue, when it is not the real problem.

@Aiselia The statement of playing the class to get big numbers without doing much just shows you obviously do not play blm all too much, it is just an ignorant statement to be honest.
Not arguing about the rotation but the one thing you said. If we are talking rotations, Bard is not overly complex either i would say Monk or Drg still has more depth.

[Aiselia]

@Aiselia The statement of playing the class to get big numbers without doing much just shows you obviously do not play blm all too much, it is just an ignorant statement to be honest.
Not arguing about the rotation but the one thing you said.

And since I was talking about the rotation, if you're not arguing about the rotation, then in what way is it wrong?

Sorry, but if you're going to say that it's ignorant, you'd better back that up.

How is the rotation complex and difficult, not counting if movement causes you to skip a cast and go into UI before you're out of MP so you can keep up Enochian?

[ColdestHeaven]

BLM rotation is easy. BLM was never about hard rotations. That is, if you define "rotation" as in "sequence of skills you need to use to achieve optimal DPS". Fire3-Fire4-Fire4-Fire-Fire4-Fire4-Blizzard3 is easy compared to what NIN has to do, for example.

Keeping an optimal DPS and rotation while having to move because of mechanics, and resuming it when you stop moving - now, that is harder. Mdha02 simply did not word it right at first. Saying "it's easy if you are not moving" is kinda like saying "healing a tankbuster is easy if tanks are using hallowed ground"; at least that's how I see it. I saw a linked video in one of these threads that actually made me chuckle. I wish BLM were able to do this and not lose on any Fire4 cast...