Angry Bards

[Malevicton]

I've been trying to make it a policy to avoid these threads, but as a BLM can y'all refrain from saying you're just blms now? Having a cast bar does not make you a blm. Myself and other blms find it frustrating when you guys use our job as a prop, made more annoying by reducing us to a particularly one dimensional prop. And frustrating other jobs doesn't lead to you guys getting help from the rest of the playerbase, which is something you'll need if you sincerely want change. Say whatever you want about brd, but leave blm out of it please. Can even keep the bowmage line with no hard feelings, I get it you have cast times. Just drop the "blm with a bow" thing. I get what you're going for, but it's still annoying and there are many less annoying ways to say it.

[Spagnutty]

Black mage lives matter.

[Vinestra]

Sounds just like 2.0 bard and how you had to face mobs for AAs.
Also, songs have not improved at all yet SE says we are a hybrid. .. where's the do this to enhance this songs potency, lower cost, increase dmg, change effect, etc?

Clearly you just haven't learned how to master warden's paen scrub, Git Gud (this is a sarcastic post).

[Lantia]

SNIP

Sorry but learn to play.
There are plenty of videos which are showing that the castbar is not avoiding movement AND that it is not a dmg reduce.
And on top of that: You can still spam skills as the casting is way lower then the reactivation of a skill.

So the feeling is still the same!
Skills: Pressbutton - Wait for reactivation - Pressbutton
Movement: Oh Aoe! I need to move - stay still - Oh Aoe! I need to move

It just make me laugh very hard to read a bard complaining about a thing which is not effecting him and plenty of users also shown this in videos....

[Hali]

Thread #986543243265 on this topic, and it's always the same.
Deal with the changes and practice instead of posting about how bad you are, and how the game should accommodate to you.



Bards. The new SJWs of the OF. God help us all against their flow of tears over nothing at all.

[Maero]

@ Malevicton i myself play both classes but moreso blm and also find it rather annoying and ignorant that players still compare the classes and have NO experience with blm
Almost every thread about Bard has at least someone bring something about how Bard is like blm, well no not even close.

[Darian]

To be fair. If we are looking at the core play of both BLM and bard they do share a lot in common. Ie:both are ranged dps, both have cast bars, both have procs, and both have some kind of core ability that must be kept going or the damage fall off is very noticeable.

A major part of the whole conversation is about WM making bard stationery.. BLM is stationery... What other job would you use for a comparison besides BLM and obviously MCH?

[Malevicton]

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Blm is absurdly more stationary than brd, though. Like by a crazy amount.

both are ranged dps (so is smn/mch), both have cast bars (so does smn/mch), both have procs (alright smn doesn't proc, but plenty of other jobs do. blm is also much less proc heavy in 3.0), and both have some kind of core ability that must be kept going or the damage fall off is very noticeable (that's every dps class). They're only similar if you make the qualifiers intentionally vague.

Brd DoT management is also similar to smn, so you could say they have just as much in common with smn as they do blm. Trade songs for pets and what's really the difference? <See how that's making brd and smn a bit over simplified? Using blm as a comparison is being intentionally reductive.

"What other job would you use for a comparison besides BLM and obviously MCH?" If there's not a good comparison to be made, then don't make a comparison.

[Ashelia_Ferron]

I was scrolling past this thread and thought it said Angry Birds.

Now I'm disappointed

[Darian]

Guess we will have to just agree to disagree. Regardless, the comparison is one people bring up but never existed in 2.0. All SE did with WM was divide the bard community and create issues.

Not saying everything about 3.0 is bad. IJ is great period. WM concept seems ok but should have just been a MCH thing and SE should have left the movement thing alone as 2.0 bard still had to dodge, target lock for AA, and deal with mechanics.

For me. 3.0 bard builds on no core gameplay at all and it's very obvious Bard had almost 0 testing done. It also shows they didn't account for AA, job flow is now clunky, and wardens peon has no practical uses.