Powerleveling ruined my day

[SilvertearRen]

Here's how I see it. Can you powerlevel your character from 40 to 50?

I don't think so. Those levels are where the players are essentially forced to PLAY their class, as opposed to being complete brainless dolts when it comes to doing Dzemael Darkhold or other high-end content.

So it has a bit of a balance to it. Powerleveling allows low level players to "catch up" and find more people to normally level with once they reach Level 30.

In fact, powerleveling starts to lose its value past Level 30, as far as I know. I've done two powerlevel parties for a linkshell, and I always made it a point that everyone in my party have their equipped class be below 30 so that everyone continued to receive experience equally.

Also, I don't run powerlevel parties with three 50's, that is a little retarded in my book; instead, my powerlevel parties have only one 50, and seven sub-30 players. That way, the progression as well as how the PL does his thing, forces the party to practice their healing skills.

If they can't heal the PL to keep the EXP flow coming, they aren't worth PLing. :3

[leomike35]

Play how you want. You sound like the people that don't want strip clubs or casinos in their city. Don't go if you don't like them but there are people that do so censor yourself. Same point with power leveling. While I understand it ruins the experience for you but if it enhances it for others so if you suggest the game be changed to make you happy but make others unhappy then that also isn't fair. I only have one 50 that I did all solo due to limited time to play and I crawled 3 other classes to 30+ also so I understand both sides. We are all faced with a choice at the end of the day. Am I willing to play the game despite things I don't agree with? If you don't like power leveling then I suggest you don't participate in them or benefit from them and let that be enough for you. The game is either fun for you or it isn't plain and simple. Most arguments against power leveling are based on the whole I worked hard and you got it easy concept. I see it as if we have tons of lvl 50s then it just means its time for cap increase and more high end content. And if the argument is the you get all 50s you will get bored and leave then those ppl won't stay long term anyway. Either way they come and go so can you be patient? Have fun just something to think about.

[Denmo]

Honestly I don't think you need any "help" to catch up.

A: It's only 50 levels. Try 75 or 99 in other games. This game isn't even half done.

B: SE is throwing you bone after bone already. You have Levequests for soloing exp. They stack if you can't play all the time. They're fast and easy and reward a decent amount of exp. You have guardian favor too.

C: Your friends have 7 combat jobs to choose from. More than likely they have at least one job that's close to your level. Party up with them. If all your friends have all their jobs at rank 50, you're in the minority. If your friends refuse to rank up another job for you, maybe find someone else to party with instead.


If you're just here for Endgame, you're not the only one. Plenty of people who got to 50 before you did so by honest means - and by honest I mean within the game's rules and original intentions (Yoshi stated 50 should be attainable in 2-3 months). And they probably wouldn't want to play with you if they knew you skipped ahead via exploits. They're looking for people who know how to play the game, after all.

And no, me saying I'd leave the game isn't a threat to you, and I don't care if you don't give a damn, personally. But I think SE would care to know.

[DeadRiser]

Other people already did a pretty good job of explaining how it affects their gameplay.

If you want to level legitimately, the pool of other people for parties matters quite a bit. If only a percentage of people want to party without power-leveling, then you have only that percentage to work with. If everyone is instead forced to gain experience with those around their own level, then your pool is much larger.

Beyond that, there is also an issue with "campsites" and how people use them. If some level 50 characters are slaughtering level 30 targets, they've monopolized the whole place. If that wasn't useful for something, it would be free for people to gain EXP in normally - perhaps even more than one group to do so.

Finally, there are the hazier concerns about game balance and sense of accomplishment and such. In some games reaching the maximum level is a major achievement. Even if it is difficult to do without power-leveling, the option lessens the sense of accomplishment because they "could have just done it the easy way." Overall, with rising in level being very easy, you also end up with a game that has a pointless grind followed by content, rather than the RPG ideal of content alongside progression. Basically, the population influences the content and if everyone is max level due to power-leveling, why would the developers bother making content for level 30 players?

Love how she didn't reply to this.

[DeadRiser]

yes, so many ways that you can't even list one....

Do you know how many other threads I've explained this in, only to get slapped in the face because on these forums I'm always wrong? I'd rather not. And countless of other people have stated the same things, but takes you to ignore them.

[zaviermhigo]

Many people should know a lot of the power leveling going on is by people who got their 1st 50 legit, and are taking advantage of exp they think will be (and should be somehow) taken away. It sucks, but Yoshi P said if someone takes the time out of their day to pl someone, thats time and effort spent, exp you didn't get, that you sacrificed to level up your friend. Now lets see, do I totally agree with it? Not really, I think you can prob pl 1-20 no prob, and still link levels from 20-50, especially since 20s you need to start building some guildmarks, but pre that, the soloing can be really awful, and it does discourage people. I mean in xi, you had to get to level 11 at least to be smn burned, in this game you just drag your friend whereever and burn in with your thm. You cant effectively pl someone past level 40 without them just being a leech like abyssea, and a level 40 person who's been nothing but pl'd is gimp, in various ways. Its not sad, its funny. A smart player would pl the 1-20 crap, and then never look back (smart but greedy). Oh well, i don't agree with a lot of the whole pling people anyway, but I know yoshi prob won't do anything about it due to his previous statements on this. I wish people would stop acting like he cares, we care, its unfair to assume the dev team feels the same way we do, and what decisions they have to make to stop massive bans that hit people who may of not been the actual culprit. These are hard decisions. We should probably think of ways to counter this problem, the more ideas the better, that way there isn't just unfair bans, theres a new system which comes out of it. Maybe level sync, now that we only have levels.

[Isaaru]

Here's how I see it. Can you powerlevel your character from 40 to 50?

I don't think so. Those levels are where the players are essentially forced to PLAY their class, as opposed to being complete brainless dolts when it comes to doing Dzemael Darkhold or other high-end content.

So it has a bit of a balance to it. Powerleveling allows low level players to "catch up" and find more people to normally level with once they reach Level 30.

In fact, powerleveling starts to lose its value past Level 30, as far as I know. I've done two powerlevel parties for a linkshell, and I always made it a point that everyone in my party have their equipped class be below 30 so that everyone continued to receive experience equally.

Also, I don't run powerlevel parties with three 50's, that is a little retarded in my book; instead, my powerlevel parties have only one 50, and seven sub-30 players. That way, the progression as well as how the PL does his thing, forces the party to practice their healing skills.

If they can't heal the PL to keep the EXP flow coming, they aren't worth PLing. :3

This ^^^^^^^^^

[Alhanelem]

I think the downside of Power Leveling is pretty clear:

[SIZE=6]It ruins the whole point of the game.[/SIZE]

If they want to undermine the point in playing their game, let them. meanwhile, you can continue to "get" and enjoy the point of the game, happy in your confidence that you will have more fun than those people are.

[Denmo]

If they want to undermine the point in playing their game, let them. meanwhile, you can continue to "get" and enjoy the point of the game, happy in your confidence that you will have more fun than those people are.

Ah but see, I actually want FFXIV to succeed.

A rare thing, I know.

[Alhanelem]

Ah but see, I actually want FFXIV to succeed.

What does this comment have to do with anything?

How does a couple people leveling faster than you have anything to do with whether or not the game succeeds?

Again, if to you, the point of the game is leveling up, then go ahead, level up slowly, and savor the experience. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. If someone else doesn't see that as the "point" of the game, who are you to judge them for that?

Again, it doesn't hurt you at all. it seems like you're just jelly.

Do you know how many other threads I've explained this in, only to get slapped in the face because on these forums I'm always wrong?

You're only "always wrong" because you always take on the unpopular view. That's not the fault of anyone else here.

Leveling is part of the experience, but it's not the whole experience. Some people enjoy it a lot, other people prefer other aspects of the game. "The point" of the game is different things to different people, and you should accept that.