Ranting about Regen

[Lastelli]

And if you REALLY want to slack off, just go Scholar, summon your fairy, and autofollow someone.

If something like this happens, I either turn my defensive stance off and go full dps when I'm tanking (and I won't use any CD) or vote kick the SCH...or I just leave the instance, I'm not there to carry their ass.

Unfortunately healing in a non-raid environment is really trivial in this game and maybe for this very reason there are a LOT of terrible healers that have no idea how this game works or what they're supposed to do to effectively support the party other than just healing.

As for HoTs...well I've seen WHMs casting medica II and regen before the pulls for whatever reason, if that happens I just tell them not to do it, but luckily enough this is happening less frequently to me now. Always try to explain to them that applying hots before pulls is a very bad habit for a healer. If they won't listen, just let the mobs eat them and /laugh at their corpses.

[JonBigwood]

Unfortunately healing in a non-raid environment is really trivial in this game and maybe for this very reason there are a LOT of terrible healers that have no idea how this game works or what they're supposed to do to effectively support the party other than just healing.

I don't agree. Many leveling dungeons and level 50 or 60 are not trivial and can be challenging to a new healer just at entry level. Always depending on the group, a good group is a big help. New entry level healer and some other new or unskilled member and let's see.

For example: Stone Vigil normal, Keeper of the Lake, The Vault, Fractal Continuum to name a few.

[Asheilin]

For example: Stone Vigil normal, Keeper of the Lake, The Vault, Fractal Continuum to name a few.

I mostly mained WHM in the end of ARR(has sch up first before switching to BRD/NIN<WHM); Switched to Ast at 3.0. SV depended on tank/their gear, KofL required not sleeping, The Vault was the BANE OF MY LIFE, FC... Only time I've had probelms were with party comp/fresh tanks. I actually found Neverreap to be the more difficult.

Pre-Hot casts drives me insane, more so when I then see the Healer run around like a chicken without a head >.> I learned in in the first three dungeons that if you pull emnity RUN TO TANK. This did not suddenly change with Hots.

The Stoneskin Healer Pull though... >.> Honestly, do you NOT see the line showing you've got something casting on you? I can't always time it to the last mob death but I try.

[Iris_BP]

I actually found Neverreap to be the more difficult.

Fractal has way more damage incoming than Neverreap. Double pulls in Neverreap are a joke (unless tank suddenly decides to go and tank all wasps and a tree). New i145 healer in fractal may have some problems with healing (let alone dpsing) if the tank is not very well geared. Overall I can't say that end game dungeons are trivial especially if you're not only healing like a bot, but also trying to contribute some DPS to the fight.

As for Regen, it's a very useful skill, just needs timing. Although for some tanks it is a forbidden skill, that plagues their sole existance and they think the best way to get rid of it is to curse and banish the poor healer even if this healer uses Regen with extreme caution during the fight.

[Atoli]

Fractal has way more damage incoming than Neverreap. Double pulls in Neverreap are a joke

I consider Neverreap more difficult, too. Fractal dmg is so much easier to avoid. Pretty much no normal AoEs on the floor so all you need to heal is the tank, room-wide AoEs can be circumvented by killing the mobs first who use them, etc.
Neverreap is different, especially with melees. Every group of monsters has several AoEs and melees basically NEVER move out of them (usually because they are invisible below the tank/dps' own AoEs).
Having to heal everyone just as much as the tank is tiresome and eats up mana crazily fast. Later mob groups apply vul+ to all melees, so they take even MORE dmg from every AoE they stand in. And don't even get me started on the final boss that just generally hates ALL casters.. u_U
I had a lot more "wow, I can't believe I got us through this without anyone dying!" moments in Neverreap than in Fractal, at least.

(for both dungeons, I'm refering to situations with max pulls, obviously. doing it mob by mob is something even a SCH bot's fairy can heal all by herself..)

[Iris_BP]

I consider Neverreap more difficult, too. *Snip*

I guess it's a matter of perspective. I honestly think Neverreap is much easier, yes, last boss and tornadoes can be annoying, but really nothing hard. With fractal tho you have to be very careful while stance dancing because tank recieves a lot of damage and can drop while you are DPSing. Countles times I saved my ass with a timely tetra/qcure2 or even bene. Just pokerface and pretend it was planned all along (because sometimes it is). Also somehow it's a good way to farm comms xD In neverreap this problem is absent because of lower incoming damage to the tank. Yes, melee DPS can stand in crap, but the point is, generally when dps gets hit hard he/she will realise that something is wrong and will be more cautious, hence less damage recieved. I never sweat too much over DPSs health, unless it falls more than 50%, because while tank is alive you're still rolling, if tank is dead that's it. Also timely HoTs help with damaged DPS. Or maybe I've just got more experienced players in NR, who knows, but never had any problems there.
In general it's just my playstyle that makes the difference for me. I tend to let tank's health get really low before switching out of CS, then top it off, then switch back to CS and so on. With this it's harder when incoming dps is higher on a tank. I know not everyone likes this playstyle but it's very DPS efficient and also showy!

[Noxifer]

As for Regen, it's a very useful skill, just needs timing. Although for some tanks it is a forbidden skill, that plagues their sole existance and they think the best way to get rid of it is to curse and banish the poor healer even if this healer uses Regen with extreme caution during the fight.

And for some healers, it's the go-to skill (together with Medica2) to be used at all times; if the tank doesn't have a regen ticking at some point during the run, something's wrong.

As long as the HoTs come during the fight instead of pre-emptively, they're excellent. The easiest runs I had of WoD was when there were several WHM in the different parties and they all kept their Regens up on the main tank. Each tick healed more than enough to keep them alive during the bosses, and even during the last boss it made things a lot easier for the healers in the MT's party.

The focus of this thread's rant is regarding those healers who think it should be cast before a pull or at the same time as a pull. ^^;


(As for Neverreap vs Fractal... I like them both, but when people are still undergeared/on-level, Neverreap bosses take a lot longer. The first time me and an FC mate ran it (with two other friends who were barely above i180), the last boss took so long it wasn't even funny anymore.)