DF Penalty

[Souljacker]

It WAS 15 minutes in early 2.0, but people still abandoned parties because 15 minutes meant nothing to them until the devs doubled the timer. I also don't agree with giving people a free pass if they wipe a few times because it would either encourage people to be even more toxic if there's X wipes or people will become even lazier knowing if they screw up a few times, they can just leave without penalty and do it all over again in another party. It's getting rather silly seeing so many people trying their darndest putting in so much effort just to avoid a few minutes of sitting out of DF.

Could you elaborate on exactly how this would make people *more* toxic? It seems like it would do the opposite. If you wipe a few times that player who normally would start talking trash because he knows he will eat a penalty for leaving\will troll and not participate until kicked\will purposely give the rest a hard time by pulling adds would just... leave. That would be the end of it.

I think you overestimate the number of people who are queuing for dungeons without the intention of actually doing the dungeon. Like I said before, you're getting rid of 1 troll, but at the expense of 10 legitimate players who should have every right to bail on a group that just doesn't mesh well.

There's ways to structure the queues without a bunch of overly harsh *punishments* but gosh, that's what this community likes I guess. It's no wonder there's so many complaints of toxic players in dungeons when literally the entire system is designed to make people as toxic as possible.