Quote Originally Posted by Ashelia_Ferron View Post
Then let that person have an opt out without a penalty.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. That\\'s what these dead end groups are, insane. Any normal person would be insane to want to continue to bang their head on a wall over and over again.

And don\\'t say "well you could help them get better" because I\\'ve tried that. I\\'ve given people a whole rotation to do before (I\\'ve had too many "spam flash and RIOT blade paladins" that continue to lose hate, or " blizzard only " BLMs that cause failures of DPS checks).

It\\'s one thing if the dungeon run is just going slow. As long as progress is made. I\\'ll complain internally but won\\'t try to leave until it\\'s apparent that the group isn\\'t getting anywhere regardless of how hard they try. If you fail to see that then you\\'re asinine.
Lets remember why there a 30 minute penalty it cause it didn't use to be there and people abused being able to pop in and out of dungeons with no penalty of what they considered bad parties or a dungeon they didn't want to run. Thank all those people for you being "punished"