We need a mercy rule.

[TechnoTechie]

But that's not "gearing up" if you already have a gathering scrip mainhands for each L60 gatherering class you have. Which my wife and I already do, and which many other people probably already do as well. So practically, that's not relevant.

And I'm talking about gearing up me. Sure, I could upgrade my retainers from mere adamantite mainhands, but that would be silly. They'll take my hand-me-downs and that gatherer blue scrip gear and like it, or they can look elsewhere for employment!

in my case it's not, as I forwent the main hands to craft off-hands for them instead. I still have to get my miner's and botanist's main hands from scrips, so it's relevant to me. Meanwhile my CRP/BSM/LTW/CUL all have MH + OH, so I'm stuck buying favor mats for at least 6 weeks to catch up on my DoL, if I want to continue getting DoH tools.


It's also not so much off-topic as we're still discussing the cost/obtainment of materials for the crafted 2-star items, this just happens to be more about the opportunity cost, which is still a relevant cost.

[Lastelli]

Hardly...

Belt, accessories and off-hand are useful as you don't have a ilvl180 equivalent, I agree. Actually the belt is not so useful after all, I just decided to meld the dragonskin one, but accessories are very important for high level crafting. All the rest no way. Which is also unfair because this gives carpenters, blacksmiths and goldsmiths 95% of the cake and almost nothing is left for the other crafters, as the sales history of the market board on my server is suggesting. I also want to buy gear for my 3 DoL with red tokens, at least the 3 primary tools and chest pieces, so that reasoning doesn't apply to me or those who want to be both "master" gatherers and crafters. I'll have to save red scrips for at least another month or so. Ofc when I said that ilvl170 is the new frontier of glamours I was talking about the left side (blue gear), those are the only one you can dye after all.

[Pentt]

Curious, you said you're paranoid but didn't get HQ aether sand which would have salvaged that synth. On my first few 2star I was bloody paranoid and wouldn't touch a 2star without HQ sand, the way I saw it, with 10 mil on the line an extra 1 or 2 mil was a small price to pay. I'm a bit more greedy now that I have 50+ 2star synths. Yeah I know this doesn't help to hear now, I feel awful for ya, that NQ must have been devestating.

As for people in this thread saying 170 is a waste/is glamour/will be replaced by new artisan gear I say that your claims are groundless. We have no idea what's SE's plan this expansion, it's entirely possible given the heavy grind and difficulty of these crafts that they will last until 4.0, then again maybe they wont. Point is nobody knows, so discouraging people from gearing up to justify you not doing it is rather silly.

[Katlyna]

As for people in this thread saying 170 is a waste/is glamour/will be replaced by new artisan gear I say that your claims are groundless. We have no idea what's SE's plan this expansion, it's entirely possible given the heavy grind and difficulty of these crafts that they will last until 4.0

i170 should provide entry to three star crafting. A good question though would be how much HQ i170 gear does one need to reach the new three star crafting stats? I suspect due to the availability of slightly lower stat i180 gear (in comparison to melds) that a full HQ i170 set won't be required to enter three start crafting.

Likewise this suggests some of the lower stat gain two star items such as belt, gloves, boots, hat and pants may not all be needed and you could just use near max meld i150 gear. But with this noted, do we really expect all class replacements in patch 3.1 for any of these? I personally do not... but I also see they screwed things up so badly in the red scrip patch, that I am finding it difficult to predict what they will do and if SE will make things better or worse. My confidence in them choosing a correct direction isn't super high... which means my predictions of what they'll do aren't super high.

I think its a wash to come to any conclusion of what to expect from 3.1 crafting yet.

[dspguy]

Lucis tool wasn't tradeable. This stuff is.

If they were untradeable, then sure, make it like lucis tools where you could turn in the NQ and get back the "rare mats."