Proper Etiquette for Dungeons and Duty Finder Events(Not a Troll Thread)

[Ashkendor]

2. Only when appropriate, please make sure your sole focus in a event or dungeon is to heal. It can be quite easy to lose track of your role and to allow you tank to die if you focus to much on dps and not on healing.

I have to disagree with you here. Making healing your sole focus means you do nothing but heal. I'm not going to stand there doing nothing while I wait for the tank to take damage. Good healers know when it's safe for them to do some DPS.

1. With caution, please inform you team and consider their reaction in regards to tanking in dps stance. Make a sound choice based on gear lvl and also effectiveness of you party.

I also have to disagree with you here. As a tank, I know what I can and can't handle. If the healer is undergeared, of course I'm not going to be tanking in DPS stance. The vast majority of the time though, the healer wouldn't even notice that I was in DPS stance unless I happened to get myself killed and the DPS wouldn't notice unless I happened to lose hate. When I enter a dungeon, I go in there with the intention of helping to make the run as quick and painless as possible. If I need to do that by keeping extra mitigation, so be it. If I need to do it by putting out extra DPS, so be it. I don't, however, think that I should have to ask the permission of the entire party. Do DPS ask the tank or healer when they are allowed to use Raging Strikes or Blood for Blood?

[Maikeru]

I would like to add something to the healer portion.

Healers if a DRK in your party uses Living Dead and has it marcoed. Don't go crazy on the heals and waste a 3 min CD. take a sec breath put out one dps spell then heal. And if the whm has benediction ready. Use it when Walking dead gets to 5 seconds at lest.

Well, if I see you using living dead, I'll make sure it wears off. Why, you ask? Because I'm a SCH and I won't burn my 3 stacks of aetherflow that I won't have (for sure) if you want me to DPS or dimiss my fairy to get them and top you off. I'd just prefer to not let you die and DPS at the same time.

[Naliee]

Healer:

1. With great respect, please make sure at all times that all available buffs are activated and please make sure that you inform your tank that you need mana or some other resource to continue.

I think we all have eyes, and if you see healer has no mana at all you don't pull. But yeah we're all human so mistakes happen. Let me add to this that if you run away from healer when she/he is buffing at the start of dungeon or w/e it pisses me off. I don't cast buffs until everyone is out from CS and it really bothers me that you can't spare few seconds for me to at least get Protect on you.

2. Only when appropriate, please make sure your sole focus in a event or dungeon is to heal. It can be quite easy to lose track of your role and to allow you tank to die if you focus to much on dps and not on healing.

Yeah, healers job is to heal. There's also times that group is doing well and not taking silly damage and healer is just standing there. I will dps if I can as a healer, but when I do there is a chance that you CAN die. We're all human, mistakes happen. But if it happens multiple times, then it's healer's fault and should pay more attention to healing than DPS.

3. Cleanse and such similar abilities are incredibly important to be used in dungeons and events. There are to many times in such teammates are curse with some ailment that could easily be taken care of by this quick and effective ability to make the party more effective as a whole.

This should be obvious. But I recently had a WAR in Alex 1 run that had the MOST ANNOYING Berserk macro. And he was expecting me to cleanse his pacification. I told him that it lasts 5 seconds only plus that he might wanna change his macro.

[Elurra]

4. Help others in your party with information if you clearly know that it is their first time in such event or dungeon. Be it boss mechanics or if you are planning on doing large pulls so the party know with confidence what is to occur.

5. If you are new to a dungeon or event in your specific role, please inform your team so we may help with information or possibly adjustments to playstyle of the party.

If someone is new to a dungeon, I wouldn't just tell them information about the bosses, mechanics, etc. Perhaps ask if they would like information or if they prefer a blind run. Some like to get the information because they don't want to "hold the group back" and some like to go in blind and figure it out for themselves. Obviously the best way to do a blind run is to form your own group with others who have never done it, but sometimes it might not be possible and they have to DF. The group should respect the new player's wishes and only provide info if asked or if it becomes obvious the new player isn't getting it.


The counterargument is that the new player is wasting the time of the other players if they're causing the group to wipe due to not knowing boss mechanics, but there are very few if any situations in dungeons that cannot be overcome if/when something goes wrong. Maybe it's just me, but I really enjoy those situations.

[bounddreamer]

It's the worst of the three. The reason it's bad is because unless the Dark Knight dies it does nothing and forces sudden massive healing that if the healer misses the window (They can. You'd be shocked,) then he just dies anyways.

You know that if the DRK doesn't die and Walking Dead doesn't replace Living Dead you don't need to top them off, right? You only need to heal a DRK to full if they are under the Walking Dead status.

[Dererk]

You know that if the DRK doesn't die and Walking Dead doesn't replace Living Dead you don't need to top them off, right? You only need to heal a DRK to full if they are under the Walking Dead status.

Yes and if there's a whm in the pt they can just use benidiction (is that their full heal ability?) to just top the DRK off. I have some times noticed that walking dead gets removed even if your not topped off.

So i have 2 theory's as to why.

1. Most obvious answer is they were topped off but took a hit right after so it could just be I didn't notice.

2. You only get so much hp when you reach level 60. Lets say it's at 6k as an example this is with out gear or bonus point stats. Maybe it only takes to remove the effect is to fill this hp amount as in the example 6k. Rest is just stat bonuses from gear and so on.

Will need to experiment.

[Kalsam]

I'll back up others on the Healer's telling tanks they need mana... it's not needed.
Tanks should be paying attention to what all is going on. Which means their healers mana, position of dps, anyone pulling aggro, their own health to use CD's effectively, etc...

Just like tanks would appreciate if healers paid attention to the tanks mana and tp, and NOT tell us to continue pulling when we're low on either and it's our main source to hold threat.

In the flip side to this, dps should also be watching for opportunities to use anything at their disposal to help the healer and tank. An idea of this is when I'm on MCH in a low level dungeon, two mobs are beating on an undergeared tank and the healer's low on mana. I'll use my knockback, then bind it in place to give the healer a moment where the tank's only being hit by one.
Or, I'm running as SMN with a AST, I'll then use E4AE and Virus, as I know the AST doesn't have access to them. And in 8 men runs as SMN, I'll tell healers to let me use my SC-rez first as I can regen my mana fairly faster than most healers.
Not to mention, dps should be aware that nearly every dps class has survival CDs. Tanks aren't the only ones who should be using these to help stay alive!

[NorthernLadMSP]

All great suggestions. While I normally try to adhere to all of them, sadly other people do not. I try not to let it negatively affect my experience.

[Fersaken]

While I agree with much of what you said. I also disagree that any of it needs to be said.

Every fight in this game has the same mechanics, dodge this, blue in purple out, etc. It is nothing remotely challenging or new.

Healers heal, tanks hold agro, dps well they dps.

In short I feel like your article should just say press buttons while dodging stuff, and it would have been more than correct.

[Madruck]

While I agree with much of what you said. I also disagree that any of it needs to be said.

Every fight in this game has the same mechanics, dodge this, blue in purple out, etc. It is nothing remotely challenging or new.

Healers heal, tanks hold agro, dps well they dps.

In short I feel like your article should just say press buttons while dodging stuff, and it would have been more than correct.

I agree that a majority of these guidelines shouldn't need to be said but as many others have pointed out, it doesn't always workout once your in a group. I do hope that these small suggestions get considered by all that enter to not only help the rest of the party but also progress toward friendlier game play.