Need GM Clarification: Player to Player Housing Sales a Violation of ToS?

[ExKage]

Recently, I have heard rumors and then others have posted screencaps of those who sent inquiries through the reports system that led to one or two GMs telling them that the trade is a violation.

Is this true?

When did it become a violation or what -is- it a violation of?

Most of us were under the impression that the "sale" or "trade" process is not a violation so long as the terms of the agreement between players involve NO RMT, all the details are clearly defined in-game, and everything involves in-game currency.

One such conversation screencapped here:

[Pterois]

still trying to find that thread here where a dev or GM confirmed you can sell/trade/buy houses from other players.

[Indoxer]

Looks like a staged conversation used through recolouring /echo messages to look like /tells.
A GM with their character's first name being "Gm", really? Next we'll be getting screenshots of Sultanate members sending tells, wanting to share their fortunes with us.

[Syrehn]

If that's a real convo, which I'm not sure it is, that GM was incredibly unhelpful and vague. Keep in mind a lot of support reps have canned responses even if they are not always the correct response; it keeps tickets cycling quicker. :/

Loads of players sell their property and I doubt any of them have had action taken against them. I think there's a thread floating around that said that buying/selling/trading isn't against the rules. So either this GM is misinformed (wouldn't surprise me) or the forum GM was misinformed.

Edit: I would assume selling/buying a house would be treated like a trade agreement, which is confirmed as being allowed by forum GM's, however, if you get scammed they won't be able to guarantee to help you get your gil back.

[Risvertasashi]

If that's a real convo, which I'm not sure it is

Not really sure what the OP would gain by going through all that trouble to make up a GM convo, and then heading over to the forums to ask for clarification.

But OP: No need to censor the GM's name; he/she was speaking officially.

[Elim]

Honestly... I don't believe this "GM" for one second. We've had people buying and selling houses on the official forum for so long...There is no way it's against the rules. All those threads would have been deleted forever ago.

I think some guy is trying to stir up drama because he doesn't have a house and doesn't want to pay another player. lol. Housing is being address in 3.1...

[Etiken]

Elim hit it spot on. If house trades were a violation, they would have removed the thousands of house trading threads.

[Elim]

Elim hit it spot on. If house trades were a violation, they would have removed the thousands of house trading threads.

To add onto this.

People make posts about buying/selling houses all over the official forum too. Not just in the housing forum. They get posted in general discussion and server forums as well. There is no way the GMs somehow "missed" all the threads.

[MistakeNot]

Might there be a misunderstanding/poor choice of words behind this?

From what I understand you cannot actually transfer ownership of a house from one player to another player - at least not without violating a whole bunch of rules.
What can be done is to pay ('bribe') another player to relinquish ownership of a plot of land, which you (or anyone else who is quick enough) can then buy.

I wonder if it might be the first case that the GM claimed is not allowed, while the second case is what players usually refer to when they talk about selling houses.

[ExKage]

Looks like a staged conversation used through recolouring /echo messages to look like /tells.
A GM with their character's first name being "Gm", really? Next we'll be getting screenshots of Sultanate members sending tells, wanting to share their fortunes with us.

While I do see the recent issue with the fact that it was staged... here is an example of legitimate messages. I myself have spoken to GMs a few times over harassment reports. They do use "[GM]Gm ____"


I will also note however, that I made a thread in March 2015 selling a plot of land in the Balmung section and the thread was deleted.


So yes, I understand that this case is made as a hoax, but the naming convention has been used before -and- I had a thread in March deleted because it was about selling it. :/